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From: [e-mail] (Walter (Jay) Turberville (III))
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: Seemless Textures (WAS Re: Is it true?)
Date: 12 Apr 1996 18:00:03 -0700
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In article <4kmg6d$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>From: [e-mail]
>Subject: Re: Seemless Textures (WAS Re: Is it true?)
>Date: 12 Apr 1996 20:58:53 GMT



>>  > Load image in Photoshop.  Use offset filter to shift the image to the right or
>>  > left.  This will leave a "seam" showing in your image.  Do magical Photoshop
>>  > manipulations (irregular cut and paste, smudge, noise filter in selected areas
>>  > are my favorites) to retouch this "seam" so it is no longer visible.  Repeat
>>  > the above procedure using a verticle offset.
>>  >
>>  > This works fairly well even if it does take a bit of time.

>        The original poster was referring to an option where the renderer automagically
>mirrors the bitmap around itself, resulting in "seamless" (yet still bad)
>color mapping.  Walter J's method is better, but labor intensive.

>        To achieve the save effect in Photoshop, wouldn't it be possible to create
>some sort of batch script?  Maybe a simple mouse recorder thing, although that would
>lack the query aspects of a true script language.  (Are there any script capable
>i-p/paint packages available for the lame-o PC?  Winimages?)

>        Note: this would be dead easy on the Amiga and ADPro.

>******************************************************************************
>** [e-mail]                     |  Synergy Graphix & Animation   **

I think the problem is that retouching the "seams" requires some judgement or
some really clever algorithm.  Depending on the nature of the texture, it
doesn't necessarily take that long.



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From: Steph Greenberg <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Now I'm confused... LIGHTWAVE 4.0 or 3D MAX?
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Andreas Maurer <[e-mail]> wrote:

:         Hi, Walter.

: w> it.  Maybe your best decision would be to go to NAB and see for yourself.

: So once again, I see this NAB.
: Seems to be kind of a tradefare.
: Could anyone give a short description, for some europeans lik me? :)

NAB = National Association of Broadcasters. The NAB convention is the
week of April 14 in Las Vegas, Nevada.

NAB generally features lots of arcane broadcast stuff, with a multi-media
or computer graphics oriented side convention. It is one of two major
conventions in the US (the other is Siggraph, which this year is in
August in New Orleans) where new computer graphics, animation and
equipment rollouts are announced. Attendence is in the 60,000 to 70,000
person range, and I think exhibit floor space is around 150,000 square feet
(sorry, I don't know the metric equivalents).

NAB is also more "suit" oriented than Siggraph. People in tie-dyed
Grateful Dead t-shirts and polka dot shorts aren't taken as seriously by
salesmen on the floor as they are at Siggraph. There also aren't any good parties
at NAB either. However, in Las Vegas, the bars *are* open 24 hours a day.
And food is cheap.

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From: Lyle Milton <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Call for MacroForm 2.0 Tutorial Ideas
Date: 13 Apr 1996 01:11:12 GMT
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Hello, All:})

We are in the process of designing new tutorials for MacroForm 2.0.  We may
carry over some of the tutorials from 1.0; but, we decided to add new ones
like a video game joystick and a serving spoon.

We had gotten numerous requests for the monster and the rabbit from our
previous ads; and, for the set-top-box that was printed with the review of
MacroForm in the 9/95 VTU.  While the monster & bunny may require too many
steps to be practical as tutorials, the set-top-box has possibilities.

Would anyone like to see something in particular?



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On Thu, 11 Apr 1996 23:38:00 -0400, Alan Prather <[e-mail]>
wrote:



Windows NT 4.0 will have the Win95 Shell, but many consumers will
stick with windows 95. Why? No plug and play support --- your drivers
won't work the same in NT.  For me it's no problem.  Just by
components that have drivers made for NT.

DaWarden

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[snip]
>REAL speed and reliability, LINUX is the way to GO!!!
>NT is WAY slow for general use.. that is why you never see people
>doing 3d on NT, it doesn't allow direct video mapping (damn emulator
>=(~~ )
>=)
>-vito
>[e-mail]

You never see people doing 3D on NT?  Yer joking.  Right?

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From: [e-mail] (Kevin Gleeson)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: drawing tablets-opinion?
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In article <4kkfbv$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (emmanuel olympia) wrote:
>
>I would like some comments, suggestions, opinions on drawing tablets to be
>used both as a mouse and as a tool for programs such as lightwave and
>photoshop for a NT/Pentium system.  Are there any standard tablets which
>everybody uses? pls. let me know.  I am planning to buy one soon. thx
>
>Emmanuel

I use a Wacom Tablet and it's fine. It has drivers for all Windows
flavours.

Generally I use it for Painter and not in Lightwave. Lightwave was designed
for use with a mouse and I find a tablet cumbersome for anything other than
sketching a spline.

Wacom, I think, is pretty much the standard, andt Sumagraphics would run
second.

I'd got for a Wacom Artpad.

Cheers

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Tasmania
Australia

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From: [e-mail] (Kevin Gleeson)
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In article <4kltl7$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Joseph J. Lawson) wrote:
>In article <4kjq46$[e-mail]>,
>   [e-mail] (Stranahan) wrote:
>>----------------
>>Idiots like the guy who started this thread should be banned from
>the
>>'net in my opinion.
>>------------
>>
>>Yeah! Damn right! Someone email that guy to me, and I'll beat him
>up!
>>
>As we say in Montana, a real Coyote, this WEI L LEE.
>And to think, I could've saved myself a thousand bucks!
>


It boggles the mind that he even finds it worth typing the question. I suppose
there is an outside chance of getting a result (cracked software or
something).

As I said in another post, he put the same thing into
comp.graphics.apps.softimage.  That is awesome.

I mean the logistics of him getting a response - Oh yeah lets post him SI. I
haven't seen the disks for SI but imagine it is BIG! I'd guess at 100 Megs.

Maybe we should each e-mail him 1 meg worth of rubbish and see how long it
ties his mail reader up for.

Bye

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From: [e-mail] (Kevin Gleeson)
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In article <4klbqu$[e-mail]>, Frédéric Druilhet <[e-mail]> wrote:
>There is no more boolean operation
>If you've got an answer, mail me !
>Frédéric DRUILHET
>[e-mail]
>http://www.planete.net/~druilhet

Umm.. I just checked and my Boolean is working fine. What is not working on
yours?

Cheers


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Hi there fellow Lightwavers,

I would like to do a massive batch render (i.e.  around 50-60 scene files),
while I'm on holidays for 3 weeks.

This wouldn't be much of problem on the Amiga, since I could just hack
together an ARexx script for Lightwave.

However, since I will be rendering on the PC as well, I was wondering if
there is a way to get around the 16 scenes limit of Screamernet.

Could I program a SN II front end for the amiga to control the amiga and pc
using those jobx  and ackx  files?

What is the format of the jobx/ackx files, and how do Lightwave and SN II
communicate?

Any help is appreciated, thanx a lot.

Michael // Fido: 2:246/1115.10
Wolf \\X/ UUCP: [e-mail]
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From: [e-mail] (Mark Dunakin)
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Subject: Re: Looking for terrain models
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On Thu 11-Apr-1996 11:08p, Tim Hardy wrote:
TH> I'm writing a game (strategy), and I'd like to find some free terrain
TH> models,
TH> like trees, mountains, etc.  Either single models (one tree, or rock), or
TH> scenes would be nice.  Since the quality of these models would depend
TH> heavily
TH> on their textures, I guess I'd also need to know where to find their
TH> textures.  Any help would be appreciated.

TH> Tim
--------------
Hi Tim;
 I had been looking for quite a while for some decent looking trees and with
no luck. So after spending days and days, I had finally figured out a way to
create pretty darn good looking trees. Making the trunk is pretty much self
explanitory, but making the leaves was a whole other story. I eventually came
to this:

  Make a point in modeler and "Make" it a polygon. Then do an array of fairly
close points and into the shape of a cube. You want a LOT of these point
polygons. Then go into another layer and just make a simple sphear and have
the cube in the background layer so you can see how big to make the ball.
Once you are happy with the way things look and have the ball cantered in the
cube, then go and do a boolean subtract. I don't quite remember which object
should be in the front layer, but no matter cuz you can always do an Undo and
swap layers. When your done with the boolean just use only the layer with all
the remaining points "that now are shaped like a solid ball" and just do some
jitters on this object a few times.

When you get into Layout, all you have to do is make the point size whatever
you want and also wrap some sort of texture onto it and you'll have a very
nice looking tree.

But if you have any problems or are just too lazy to deal with it, then just
email me and I can send you a tree with my tree leaves texture......md :)

[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Mark Dunakin)
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Subject: Re: polygon reduction!
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On Fri 12-Apr-1996 12:56p, Malcolm Lavery wrote:
ML> On 11-Apr-96 11:32:50, the dood Brian Lutt said about polygon reduction!:

ML> Hi!, Brian.....

ML> > Does anybody know of any software to reduce the polygons in an object. I

ML> > need to reduce the amount of polygons in my objects. The objects are
ML> > imprted into lightwave from other software packages as obj files and
ML> > there polygon counts are very high, is there anything available that
ML> does
ML> > a good job at this task.

ML> Try Pixel Pro II, it's good at both converting, and reducing polygons!.

ML> Or I do believe that there is a PD program that does the same thing.

ML> That's for the Amiga that is!. ;)

ML> Cya!.....

ML> --
ML> Mal!! :)
------------------
Can I get something like that for my alpha with NT 3.51? I sure am having a
hard time finding programs for this thing that'll work.......md

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From: [e-mail](Joe Schrengohst )
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Subject: Re: Resoultion problem?
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In <[e-mail]> LonerSam <[e-mail]>
writes:
>
>Hi all,
>
>I wonder where and how to change the output
>resoultion of LW from 75dpi to something bigger
>number for printing purpose rather than video
>purpose.
>
>If 75dpi is the only res. I can choose from, no
>wonder why it is suitable for broadcasting purpose,
>only.
>
>LSam
>--

Have you looked in the Camera panel and did you see the "Print
Resolution" button? That is what you need to use for print graphics.
Although depending on your use you may be able to get by with
"High Resolution". There is also a "Custom resolution" so you can roll
your own. I hope this helps.

JS

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In <[e-mail]> Shadowbird
<[e-mail]> writes:
>
>OK, so I've downloaded gazillions of neat objects and textures and
cool
>stuff off the 'net, and now they're sitting on my IBM PC and my school
A/V
>lab's Mac in nice tidy LHA archives.
>
>I'm running LW 3.x on a Toaster 4000, and Amiga 2000.
>
>What do I do now?  How do I get those files ported over?  FTP
addresses?
>WWW pages where I can find decent emulators, or let Amigas read Mac/PC
>disks or vice versa?  I'm on a high school student's budget.  (Read
that
>as $ X million times 0)  Thanks for the help...
>
>

The following suggestions should cost you nothing.

If you have an Amiga 4000 and 2000 with WB2.0 or higher you have
CrossDos which shipped with the Amiga OS. This will allow you to
read/write PC disks on your Amiga floppy drive, both DD and HD.
In order to use CrossDos you need to copy the "PC0:" device from your
Storage/Dosdrivers drawer to your Devs/DosDrivers drawer. Then reboot
to activate it. Then you also need the program "Lha" which is shareware
like "PKzip" is. You can download it from the WWW. Just go to Aminet
the largest Amiga site on the Web. Do a search for Amiga, Lha, Aminet,
in Yahoo or Excite as I can't remember the exact address. OK now you
have Lha. Copy it to your "c" drawer on your amiga. If you have DirOpus
you can extract the files through it if not just open the CLI or Shell
and go to the drawer your lha files are in and type lha filename.lha to
extract the files.

There is more detailed info in your Amiga manuals for using CrossDos
and the Read files that come with Lha for using it.

I hope this gets you headed in the right direction.

Regards,
JS

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From: "Michael J. May" <[e-mail]>
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[e-mail] wrote:
>
> >  > Load image in Photoshop.  Use offset filter to shift the image to the right or
> >  > left.  This will leave a "seam" showing in your image.  Do magical Photoshop
> >  > manipulations (irregular cut and paste, smudge, noise filter in selected areas
> >  > are my favorites) to retouch this "seam" so it is no longer visible.  Repeat
> >  > the above procedure using a verticle offset.
> >  >
> >  > This works fairly well even if it does take a bit of time.
>
>         The original poster was referring to an option where the renderer automagically
> mirrors the bitmap around itself, resulting in "seamless" (yet still bad)
> color mapping.  Walter J's method is better, but labor intensive.
>
>         To achieve the save effect in Photoshop, wouldn't it be possible to create
> some sort of batch script?  Maybe a simple mouse recorder thing, although that would
> lack the query aspects of a true script language.  (Are there any script capable
> i-p/paint packages available for the lame-o PC?  Winimages?)
>
>         Note: this would be dead easy on the Amiga and ADPro.
>
> ******************************************************************************
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You might take a look at Kai's Power Tools 3. Among it's many cool
tricks is the "Seamless Texture Welder". The welder is really easy to
use, requires very little PS knowledge, and works like a champ - for
about a hundred bucks.

Mike

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On 4/12/96 10:20AM, in message <4km3db$[e-mail]>, InstntGuts
<[e-mail]> wrote:

> Ron Thornton (Foundation Imaging, Babylon 5) has used 3DS instead of LW
> for several projects, including "Dan Dare," and was, at one point between
> the B5 pilot and the start of the series, , considering switching from LW
> to 3DS.
>

This is not true.

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On 4/12/96 12:07AM, in message <[e-mail]>, Jeff Jasper
<[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> I suggest you look at the game animation market where 3DS is used a lot for
> chracter generation and animation. Just check out the work done by Steve
> Sherer, Thomas and Helene Knight and Penta_Grafx. Plus many animation houses
> use 3ds as a previs. tool or for certain features (Sony Pictures for one).
> 3DS besides being used for Johnny Mnemonic, was also used for Lightspeed and
> that one Denzel Washington action flic. I believe someone posted back a
> little while ago a large list of TV shows and movies that use 3DS animation.
> I would venture to guess that most studios use PA or Softimage for this type
> of work though. I wouldn't call the 3 seconds of face peeling anything to
> compare to something like The End or Jumanji.
>
> Jeff

Lets get something straight here: I am talking about Hollywood special effects.
 Frankly, EVERY, I repeat _EVERY_ 3D program is capable of doing games, and
every program IS being used.  If that's what you want to do, then it really
doesn't matter whether you're using 3DS, 3DS MAX, or Lightwave.  You might
enjoy one or the other, but it really doesn't matter what you use.  As for
pre-vis, Lightwave is used more than 3DS.  For example, it was used for
Jurassic Park, Jumanji, and currently Lost World (JP2).  Once again though, any
program worth its salt could be used.

If you want to talk about professional "Hollywood style" special effects, don't
even mention Johnny Anemic.  Those aren't the kind of effects I am talking
about (and the best sequence in the film was done in Alias anyway).  Those are
computer graphics intended to look like computer graphics, and once again, you
could have done that with ANY program.  They weren't the same kind of thing as,
say Jurassic Park or Star Wars.  Same goes for Virtuosity.  I'll grant you that
a 3 second face peel isn't much, but 1) it was a photoreal effect, unlike
Johnny Moronic, and 2) it was only a start.  You wouldn't believe some of the
current film projects using Lightwave and purposely NOT 3DS or 3DS MAX.  I'm
still waiting to see a project that uses 3DS or MAX to the extent of Hercules,
seaQuest, B5, Space:Above and Beyond, Robocop The Series, and even Star Trek
Voyager.  I've been hearing some good things about MAX so maybe this will
happen soon--I'm looking forward to it.
--
                      -=Fred=-
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On 4/12/96 9:56AM, in message <[e-mail]>,
Michael Holve <[e-mail]> wrote:

> However, some whine and say "well how come they don't use it on TV?"  Who
> cares, it's not their market!  You could, if you got a bunch of IPAS
> routines.  You can even use a stand-in renderer to do REAL ray-tracing.  You
> will note though (all you whiners) that 3DSR4 is used for multimedia games
> (7th Guest, 11th Hour, etc.) Lightwave is used because it comes with the
> Toaster, which many studios already own, and are proficient with.  Doesn't
> mean they *like* it...
>

People whine about its use in movies or on TV because that's the real test of a
3D program.  Face it, games can be done with ANY program, and they are.
Lightwave is used on many games too.  And Autodesk WISHES it were their market.
As for the studios using Lightwave because they already had Toasters, this is a
ludicrous statement.  The Toaster, as far as the studios' use of it was merely
a very expensive dongle.  As soon as LW was ported to NT, the Toasters were
trashed.  There was no use for the Toaster itself for say something like
seaQuest or Babylon 5.  It was Lightwave that was wanted but you had to buy a
Toaster to get it. Period.  And you know what? As far as Lightwave goes, we DO
use it because we like it.


>    Look at the big picture when bitching about 3DSR4.  It has built-in
> network rendering.  You can script the shit out it.  Everything is
> animatable.  It's got a lot of features in there, that may not be immediately
> obvious.
>
> Michael Holve
> Network Manager/Webmaster
> Department of Family Medicine
> University Hospital and Medical Center
> State University of New York at Stony Brook
>
> email:  [e-mail]


Lightwave has all this too.
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Dean A. Scott wrote:
>
> I'm     B  a  c  k   !
>
> Took a long hiatus from the newsgroup, but I'm ready to start
> reading this great resource of knowledgable LWers again.
>
> And to start, I need an answer to a plaguing question...
> and QUICK at that, too!  <smile>
>
> How do you convert the RGB 0,0,0 black of LW anims to
> NTSC 0 IRE (zero black) or even -5 IRE (super black) for a
> client that insists on such for reliable self keying over
> betacam SP video?
>
> Can the PVR do this?  I know the PAR can, but I need international
> broadcast quality ntsc video, which the PVR does much better than
> a PAR.
>
> What other options exist?  I need professional strength help here...
> NO "I think this might work"  or "Have you tried this?"  Give me
> a definative answer, one from your own experience.
>
> Apprecianatos!
>
> --
>                     /~~~~|
>                    / /~~~
>            |)  /| |) \_/_|  /\ |\|
>     THE    |) |-| |)~~|\ |_ \/ | |   CLONER
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>                    \____/
> -----------------------------------------------
> Dean A. Scott, SILICON MAGIC, "Your Key To 3D!"
> Í---------------------------------------------Í
>   http://users.aol.com/dscott5663/simagic.htm
>     Home of "Power Tips Pro for LightWave"

On the PVR, just click the Super-Black button for 0 IRE.
--
Elliot Bain
Laurell Creative Services
614.459.4404

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From: [e-mail] (Stranahan)
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My brother Ken, along with Don Waller, did some dinosaur stuff for an
upcoming episode of Sliders that will KILL you.....all LightWave, very
very cool....

Ken's face peel was cool, but not character stuff - THIS is character
stuff....



_____________________________________________
Lee Stranahan
Home Page URL - http://users.aol.com/stranahan/main.htm

A NEW tape/CD-ROM from the Stranahan Brothers is coming SOON!
ACCESS DENIED : THE CRAFT OF VISUAL EFFECTS FILMMAKING

Access DeniedURL - http://users.aol.com/stranahan/access.htm

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From: [e-mail] (A Lugones)
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Subject: Re: Seemless Textures (WAS Re: Is it true?)
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Another approach to seemless textures is available in Kai Power Tools 3.
It includes a program called "Seamless Welder." The program works
flawlessly. No noticeable lines between images when tiled in Lightwave.

Alex Lugones
Vantage Point Animations

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uuhh did you stop to think that she might work in the tech support
department ( as a nontele-aide) and perhaps picked up the phone becaue
perhaps no one else was
around?? She of course did this to ensure that your call was taken and
that you just did not feel as if you were calling an anonymous company??

perhaps she handles the overflow calls??...yea, you're being unreasonable
:)..in my oppinion.

Adam Chrystie
--
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Adam Chrystie LightWave 3D Animator
Cinema/Video Major, Senior
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I too had a similar problem saving an .avi.
the solution to mine was-

As a habit I always save the scene file with all render save options(.avi,
alpha, rgb etc.)
I need for the scene before I hit the render button.

I rendered out the avi with no problem, however, I wasn't happy with the
the resolution so I decided to re-render the same scene.  For some reason
LW would crash every time I tried to save the avi.

I loaded the scene file in notepad, scrolled to the bottom.  The two lines
I had to change in order to enable me to save my re-rendered .avi were:

SaveAnimationName C:/NewTek/"filename.avi"
AnimationType HIIP-AVI32

I deleted the references to anim name and type leaving this

SaveAnimationName
AnimationType

I saved the file, exited notepad, fired up LW, loaded the scene, set up my
save options and hit the render button (after adressing my original
intention of resoulution, of course).
 NOTE:  I did not re-save the scene or I would have had to do this whole
trip all over again.

Hope this may be of some help.







Digital Animatics
Narration & Animation

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<<And Autodesk WISHES it were their market.>>

I doubt it; I don't think Autodesk's stockholders would trade their
company's $28 million in 3D Studio sales last year for NewTek's $300,000
debt on sales of 1,500 copies of LW PC in 1995.

-- Jon

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Subject: Re: DON'T PANIC!!
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> We do not expect the compilation video to begin shipping until some
> time in June.
>
> Since the deadline has been extended to the end of April (or so), this
> only gives us about a month to pick the winners, edit the tape
> together, produce a soundtrack and packaging, duplicate it, and then
> start marketing it...in other words, it will probably not hit the
> shelves until late June.
>
> We hope to see your work entered into the contest, as well as everyone
> else's work from this newsgroup!
>
>                                      -David Warner
>                                       [e-mail]
>                                       http://www.albany.net/~dwarner

I'll ask our publishers whether this would bo OK.

Glyn Williams - Particle Systems

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Subject: Re: Can anyone email me lightwave?
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> >Hey - could someone please mail me a dongle? And a DEC Alpha or 2?
> >_____________________________________________
> >Lee Stranahan
>
> Sure, While I'm at it do you want a few SGI's? I got a couple of them
> right here here in my closet. A good friend e-mailed them to me....boy
> was that a big download :-)
> Idiots like the guy who started this thread should be banned from the
> 'net in my opinion.

Agreed. And while they're at it, could someone please email this guy a
clue. He obviously doesn't have one of those either.

:?)

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From: [e-mail] ("Phil South")
Subject: 3D Studio Hollywood & Gaming Effects book
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"3D Studio Hollywood & Gaming Effects"
by various authors

If you want a big laugh, go into your local bookstore and check out the
above book. It's about 3D Studio, and it tells you how to do loads of
cool effects.

Basically it goes like this: Okay you want to do this cool
displacement/lens
flare/transparency/bones/composite/warp/starfield/volumetric lighting
effect?

Well first buy the appropriate Yost Group IPAS disk and...

ROFL.

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Glyn Williams ([e-mail]) wrote:

: >   By entering this contest, all entrants agree that they will provide
: >   a signed release which will allow Digital Concept Productions to
: >   reproduce their animations in the "1996 LightSpeed Animation Contest"
: >   compilation videotape.
:
:         Although we have a cracking demo reel - which we feel would stand
: a chance in the competition the above clause gave us cause for concern.
: While we are the originators of the materiel and hold the copyright - the
: work is from a game. We are obliged under contract with our publisher  to
: not release advance information about the game. When will this tape be
: released? - If it comes close to our publication date - then no problem.
: If it is in a few weeks time, then we would probably not be able to
: permit the showreel to be included.

We do not expect the compilation video to begin shipping until some
time in June.

Since the deadline has been extended to the end of April (or so), this
only gives us about a month to pick the winners, edit the tape together,
produce a soundtrack and packaging, duplicate it, and then start marketing
it...in other words, it will probably not hit the shelves until late June.

We hope to see your work entered into the contest, as well as everyone
else's work from this newsgroup!

                                     -David Warner
                                      [e-mail]
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From: [e-mail] (C Mak)
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Don't know about all of you but I got my fixed up dongle back within
two weeks of sending it back to NewTek and one week of that was my
fault (I sent it UPS normal which took 5 days to deliver!!!).  I found
NewTek's support to be friendly and helpful.  The dongle is another
matter altogether :-)

If I don't go out and buy another parallel port will a data switcher
help prevent de-programming of the dongle.  At the moment, my printer
sits unattached because I'm too paranoid to plug it into the dongle.
I can get a data swticher cheap...but will it work?

Chris


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From: Mike Daniel <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: LW 4.0 upgrade for amiga/toaster?
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Chuck Baker wrote:
>
> On Mon  8-Apr-1996 19:41 , Dwight Gruber wrote:
> DG> >
> DG> > Video Toaster 4.1 for the standalone Toaster is now in production.
> DG> Shipments
> DG> > should commence in the next week.
>
> DG> OK, so what do I have to do to get it?
>
> DG>                                 --DwightG
>
> That depends -- if you bought the Toaster as such a time that it came with a
> coupon stating it was eligible for a free upgrade to "4.0", and you registered
> your product, the upgrade will be shipped automatically.  You can contact our
> Customer Service department by calling 1-800-847-6111 (or 913-228-8000), or by
> emailing [e-mail], to confirm.
>
> If you aren't eligible for the free update, call any dealer who carries NewTek
> products, to purchase the update.  Suggested retail is $549, installation
> requires a CD-ROM drive.
> .
> .
>   ========================================================================>   Chuck Baker                        |  TekWorld:  NewTek Tech Support BBS
>   Technical Support Online Services  |  telnet address:     bbs.newtek.com
>   NewTek, Inc.                       |  modem ports:          913-271-9299
>   ========================================================================>   CompuServe:  Go AmigaVend, NewTek;     Go GUGRPA, LightWave UG
>   AOL: Keyword NewTek                    Email: [e-mail]
>   ========================================================================Chuck is there what is the expected charge for the LW 4.0 upgrade
going to be?

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Monahan)
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Subject: Re: MAX or Lightwave? How about some MAX here folks.
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Tim
Krego) wrote:

> On Tue, 09 Apr 1996 22:42:59 -0700, cjtsui <[e-mail]> wrote:
> >I believe sound sync is a plugin in Max, at least thats the impression I
> >got when I played with it a month ago (when did you see it?).
>
> Everything in MAX is a plugin (.dll), the renderer, image savers,
> object loaders, primitives, etc. Allows for addition or changes to the
> components very easily.


And allows Autodesk to charge out the wazzo for stuff other apps come with!

Joe

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IMHO, as someone who has to support OS/2 for a living,
IT BLOWS!
  It is the most useless piece of garbage I've ever seen.

Here are some truths to hold against the marketing scams that IBM has
touted OS/2 with:

(1) "OS/2 is more stable than ________"
      Bullshit. I see it crash applications 5 or 10 times a day. And,
when Windows locks up an application, it at least goes ahead and does
it. OS/2 sits there with the entire system hung up for 5 minutes (no
lie) while it tries depsperately to recover the application. In the
meantime, you can't do anything but move the mouse around. Usually,
OS/2 CAN'T recover, and you end up having to reboot your system (which
in itself takes forever).
(2) "OS/2 is faster than __________"
     Not. I have never seen another OS thrash the living hell out of a
hard disk as badly as OS/2 does. A good comparison would be running
Photoshop on a 486 w/ 12MB of RAM and editing a 1024x768x24bit
picture. But, OS/2 acts like that on a Pentium 90 w/ 40MB of RAM...
(3) "OS/2 uses less memory than ________"
     See #2. OS/2 on a Pentium 90 w/ 8MB of RAM runs slower than it
does on a 386 with 16MB of RAM.
(4) "You can still use DOS and Windows applications"
     If all you run is DOS and Windows apps anyway, then why bother
having OS/2?? Its just unnecessary overhead that takes up valuable
system resources (RAM, disk space, etc).
  Also, (5) OS/2 does not support Win95/NT applications AT ALL, (6)
has poor support for Win32s, (7) has next to no driver support
(scanners, sound cards, digitizers, tablets, etc.) and (8) hardly any
native applications. And then there's my favorite: if the OS2.INI or
OS2SYS.INI file gets corrupted, YOU HAVE HOSED YOUR ENTIRE SYSTEM AND
MUST REINSTALL OS/2 AND EVERY DAMN APPLICATION YOU HAVE. These files
are not user-editable, and trying to use backups rarely works.

If this convinces anyone to NOT waste their valuable money and time on
this piece of steaming shit, then I will sleep much better tonight.



The Venerable Arch-Mage Meniscus


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In article <[e-mail]>, Des McPherson <[e-mail]> wrote:
>[e-mail] (emmanuel olympia) wrote:
>>
>>hello, I have a par for my amiga. just wondering if it will work for my pc
>>as well.  is it just a software thing? thx
>
>Yes it will.  You can either download an MSDos version of the software or I
>heard that they will also be offering a version for WinNT.
>
>http://www.dps-inc.com
>
>
If this is possible, then how do you set the interupts for the PAR card?  I
had alway been lead to believe that the PC PAR was a completely different
card.

Regards,

Rob

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From: [e-mail] (Jeffery S. Jones)
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Subject: Re: Help with output to VHS required...
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On 12-Apr-96 08:01:22, Ernest Hunter <[e-mail]> wrote:
>In article <4k3kov$dtl$[e-mail]>,
>James Osborne <[e-mail]> writes
>>Hi!
>>
>>I have just completed the scene file for a pretty cool
>>(BIG) animation (for my Demo Reel) but I now need some advice on
>>how best to go about transferring this (and future anims) to VHS
>>tape. I really need to keep the cost to a minimum (no surprise
>>there).
>>Anyhow I currently have a P120 with 32Mb, 1Gb IDE HD, and a
>>Stealth GT 2mb Vram card. I guess I will need a big, fast (scsi
>>AV?) HD and an output card of some kind.
>>Has anybody got any ideas. The Fast F60 MJPEG card sounds okay
>>but is this the only option?
>>
>>Thanks in advance,
>>
>>JAMES

>I know this is probably a silly suggestion when everyone out there is
>talking in acronyms I don't recognise (presumably about hi-tech hi-
>cost video-transfer systems) but...
>If your machine can display to monitor at the right speed, you could
>use a plain Video to PAL converter.  I have one built by Trust
>originally designed to let you play computer games on a big TV which
>cost less than 100 quid.

>I don't know if there are equivalent NTSC devices, or if the quality
>would be good enough for you, but for what I do it is quite
>satisfactory.

>You did say you were on a budget...:)

  The quality will be limited to what the computer can display, and most
of those video converters don't make overscanned images -- they leave a
black border around the edges.  Getting more than 256 colors out at
640x480 isn't easy to do without specialized hardware, and a good demo
reel should be 24 bit -- like "real TV".

  The FAST F60 is definitely not the only option.  There are a lot of
choices, and it really is going to come down to how much you can spend,
and what you are going to end up doing with it afterwards.

  If you are going to transfer to VHS (as opposed to SVHS), and never go
to any higher format, the more expensive units capable of better quality
won't be needed.  But if you might continue to use this machine to make
animations, and want to tape them on a better format, you may wish to
look into the more expensive, higher quality options, like the DPS PVR.

--
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Michael B. Comet wrote:
>         BTW does anyone know what the upgrade price will be like
> from 4.0?  I thought I read a post someone made about $500 or something.
> That seems a bit much as the software itself is nearly that price.
> How much were upgrades in the past?

Huh!?!? $500!?! I hope that is completely wrong. I might be able to see at a
worst case 250-300 but not $500. The previous upgrades were $150.
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In <4kobvm$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
>IMHO, as someone who has to support OS/2 for a living,
>IT BLOWS!
>  It is the most useless piece of garbage I've ever seen.
>
>Here are some truths to hold against the marketing scams that IBM has
>touted OS/2 with:
>
>(1) "OS/2 is more stable than ________"
>      Bullshit. I see it crash applications 5 or 10 times a day. And,
>when Windows locks up an application, it at least goes ahead and does
>it. OS/2 sits there with the entire system hung up for 5 minutes (no
>lie) while it tries depsperately to recover the application. In the
>meantime, you can't do anything but move the mouse around. Usually,
>OS/2 CAN'T recover, and you end up having to reboot your system (which
>in itself takes forever).
>(2) "OS/2 is faster than __________"
>     Not. I have never seen another OS thrash the living hell out of a
>hard disk as badly as OS/2 does. A good comparison would be running
>Photoshop on a 486 w/ 12MB of RAM and editing a 1024x768x24bit
>picture. But, OS/2 acts like that on a Pentium 90 w/ 40MB of RAM...
>(3) "OS/2 uses less memory than ________"
>     See #2. OS/2 on a Pentium 90 w/ 8MB of RAM runs slower than it
>does on a 386 with 16MB of RAM.
>(4) "You can still use DOS and Windows applications"
>     If all you run is DOS and Windows apps anyway, then why bother
>having OS/2?? Its just unnecessary overhead that takes up valuable
>system resources (RAM, disk space, etc).
>  Also, (5) OS/2 does not support Win95/NT applications AT ALL, (6)
>has poor support for Win32s, (7) has next to no driver support
>(scanners, sound cards, digitizers, tablets, etc.) and (8) hardly any
>native applications. And then there's my favorite: if the OS2.INI or
>OS2SYS.INI file gets corrupted, YOU HAVE HOSED YOUR ENTIRE SYSTEM AND
>MUST REINSTALL OS/2 AND EVERY DAMN APPLICATION YOU HAVE. These files
>are not user-editable, and trying to use backups rarely works.
>
>If this convinces anyone to NOT waste their valuable money and time on
>this piece of steaming shit, then I will sleep much better tonight.
>
>
>
>The Venerable Arch-Mage Meniscus
>
OS/2 Warp is the best os there is that's bullshit about that 5-10 crashes a
day, it's much better than fu**ing win95

bye....

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From: [e-mail](Joe Schrengohst )
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Subject: Re: Can anyone email me lightwave?
Date: 13 Apr 1996 01:00:32 GMT
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In <4kj8nk$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Stranahan)
writes:
>
>Hey - could someone please mail me a dongle? And a DEC Alpha or 2?
>
>
>_____________________________________________
>Lee Stranahan
>Home Page URL - http://users.aol.com/stranahan/main.htm


Yeah, Send me some too. Could you throw in a Perception card, 256 megs
RAM, 21" monitor, and a Recordable CD drive!

JS

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In <316caf07.297580@news> (JRider) [e-mail] writes:
>
>    Man you guys are sure sticking to the truest sense of the
>rules ar'nt you. I think that you are going to embarrassing and
>outrages lengths just to try and prove that WIN95 dosent multitask,
>but I think that if you ask anyone, they will disagree with you. Does
>the Mac multitask? Did the Amiga? I think if you ask any Mac or Amiga
>owner, they will say yes. Why, because the accepted use of the word is
>,and this is from the index section in the back of time lifes book on
>beginning computers, "The ability to run more than one set of
>executable code".
>
>Game Over Man
>
>JRider
>
>


Yeah, But the Amiga's "MultiTasking" was and still is far better than
the Mac's or any flavor of Windoze!

JS

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ANyone have any familarity with DPS's Perception Video Recorder?

I'm looking into buying it but am wondering several things since people
(dealers) seem to be giving me different answers.

I orderd LW for Intel and will probably install it on my NT side (I have WFW3.11
and NT on my P120 system), figuring that 32bit is much faster (I hope) than a 16
bit version.  Any opinions? Facts?

Also, I want to get the PVR baord, but thought it only ran on NT, one dealer
(Anti-Gravity...) said it runs on regular windows as well.  Anyone know the
truth here?  Anyone have any opinion on this board?

Thanks in advance.

Bob


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From: [e-mail] (Jeffery S. Jones)
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Subject: Re: Whoa! LW 5.0?!
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On 13-Apr-96 11:24:33, Angelito So <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Michael B. Comet wrote:
>>         BTW does anyone know what the upgrade price will be like
>> from 4.0?  I thought I read a post someone made about $500 or
>> something. That seems a bit much as the software itself is nearly
>> that price. How much were upgrades in the past?

>Huh!?!? $500!?! I hope that is completely wrong. I might be able to see
>at a  worst case 250-300 but not $500. The previous upgrades were $150.

  The *TOASTER* software package, including Lightwave 4.0, is around
$500; I paid $489 for the CDROM version.  I haven't checked on the 4.0
Lightwave upgrade, but the 3.1 to 3.5 was only $150; upgrading to 5.0 I
wouldn't think would be much more.

  The Toaster package includes replacements for all of the Toaster
software, and upgrades have been about $500 in the past for that.

--
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WEI L LEE wrote in comp.graphics.apps.lightwave about "Can anyone email me
lightwave?":

WLL> I need Lightwave now. can anybody email me a copy please?

Me too, can someone please email me a complete copy of the LW CD?
I would appreciate LightRom 3 to.

;-))

Michael // Fido: 2:246/1115.10
Wolf \\X/ UUCP: [e-mail]
blessed are the sheep, for they shall inherit the grass - james

(NO, please don't bomb me with GBs of e-mail!)

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In <4kjnic$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Andy
Chen) writes:
>
>When people talk about PVR... it's the Perception Video Recorder,
right?
>Or is it a type of video device like VHS... etc.
>
>Oh, this one might not be that bad, for Perception users. Does it have
>a regular VHS output on the card so one can hook up their VHS or some
other
>sort of equipment is needed?
>
>Thanks,
>Andy
>--


Yes PVR does mean Perception Video Recorder. Yes you can output to VHS.
The PVR is capable of better than BetaCamSP output although if you only
record to VHS you will lose alot of the PVR quality.

JS

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Subject: Re: Anims over zero or super black?
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>And to start, I need an answer to a plaguing question...
>and QUICK at that, too!  <smile>
>
>How do you convert the RGB 0,0,0 black of LW anims to
>NTSC 0 IRE (zero black) or even -5 IRE (super black) for a
>client that insists on such for reliable self keying over
>betacam SP video?
>
>Can the PVR do this?  I know the PAR can, but I need international
>broadcast quality ntsc video, which the PVR does much better than
>a PAR.

    Yes, there is an option on your SETTINGS/IMPORT-EXPORT menu choice that
allows you to use SUPERBLACK 0-IRE as opposed to adding the 7.5 ire.  That
should do it. Boy are the anims sweet looking on tape!  WOW!

>What other options exist?  I need professional strength help here...
>NO "I think this might work"  or "Have you tried this?"  Give me
>a definative answer, one from your own experience.

    Ok, disclaimer on route:

        I have not scoped the results to say it definately does do it,
but by looking at it, it definately is "blacker" looking.  Like the SuperBlack
keys that  The Producers Series and Ray-Byte tapes use.

    Good Luck.  Tell you sister (Ms. Sculptured Body) that if she's looking
for someone to benchpress, call me!  :)

    Later,
    Bob




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In <4kkf8d$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (emmanuel olympia)
writes:
>
>
>hello, I have a par for my amiga. just wondering if it will work for
my pc
>as well.  is it just a software thing? thx

No. The PAR is a Hardware/software combination and there was an Amiga
version which is what you have. But there is/was a PC version also and
I don't believe the hardware is compatiable.

JS

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From: Jean-Eric Hénault <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: LW4.0 wont save to AVI?
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William Hamon wrote:
>
> In article <4ka9mg$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
> >
> >
> >  I'm using LW4.0 on a Pentium machine with 32MB ram and 3 GB disk
> >under Win95.  I've created an animation sequence which I am trying to
> >render out to an .AVI file.  I've gone to the OPTIONS menu and "Add
> >plug-ins" selection.  There, I selected "hiip\hiipsave" and received a
> >message that the plug-in's were successfully added.  next, I go to the
> >'RECORD" menu and select "Save Animation", supply a filename and then
> >select "HIip-avi16(.avi)" from the animation type selections.  Next, I
> >render.  LW goes through the motions and actually renders my
> >animation.  HOWEVER, nothing is ever saved to disk.. anywhere.
> >
> >Any suggestions on why this doesn't work?  Should this work?  If not,
> >what is the best way to generate an .AVI file of one's LW4.0
> >animations?
> >
> >Thanks for any suggestions,
> >-Jim
> >
>
> Do you put the extension .avi at the end of your file name
> (ex: anim01.AVI)?
> If you don't, it doesn't save anything...
> However, you can use HIip-avi32, it works perfectly!
>
> Bye! Ciao! Au revoir! Auf vieder sehen!
>
> [Emperor II...

There are however a few rendering problems with LW Intel 4.0 that I am
aware of. Saving a scene with the AVI option activated will no longer be
able to render as AVI. If you want to render an AVI, first save your
scene, then render it, but remember : CLEAR THE SCENE YOU JUST RENDERED
AND DON'T SAVE IT. Re-load the scene you previously saved without the
AVI option turned-on.

Also of note, a scene containing shadow-map lights will crash when
rendering more than one frame. It seems that when LightWave finishes a
frame, it doesn't effectivelly clear all the allocated memory and then
takes more RAM when it renders the next frame. This will happen until it
runs out of RAM, then it crashes.

This is a serious bug, how can you do serious animation without the
shadow-map lights????!!!

Jean-Eric Hénault
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Newsgroups: comp.graphics.animation,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave,comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio
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>   is released nobody has it. Particles, gravity ect are present today in
>   third party software. Interactive lighting ? I need this explaine to me
>   as I am not sure what it means/offers. Can this be accopmlished with
>   Camera/light envelopes ? Also remember before MAx these people thought 3DS
>   the better program, that has to make me wonder.
>     FWIW There is an article on MAX in the latest 3D mag(not worth much as I
>   can't recall the name, maybe 3D design ?) to hit the market. I'll get the
>   name from my dealer. It showed the new features, some screen shots etc.
>   Looked good . But seeing as I still have a lot of LW features I haven't
>   used yet(really many more that seem to crop up here) I'm not interested.
>   -bill

Interactive lighting means that you can manually adjust the lights settings while seing the results on your scene
interactivelly. This is usually accomplished through some sort of Open GL algorythm or else.

Jean-Eric



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From: Jean-Eric Hénault <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Whoa! LW 5.0?!
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 12:36:42 -0400
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Stranahan wrote:
>
> BJ is correct in saying that LightWave 4.0 was a 'minor' upgrade - Mark
> Thompson said about the same thing in LWPro, so let's not get
> defensive...the porting was a HUGE amount of work, so Allen and Stuart did
> not get in as many features as we've gotten used to from them. Given the
> time they have had between ports, 5.0 should take care of a lot of
> people's wish lists.....
> _____________________________________________
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> Home Page URL - http://users.aol.com/stranahan/main.htm
>
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> ACCESS DENIED : THE CRAFT OF VISUAL EFFECTS FILMMAKING
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I agree that multiplatform LW 4.0 is a big step forward for NewTek. Unfortunatelly, as a user, the only major benefit in
moving from LW 3.5 on the Amiga to LW 4.0 on Intel is speed. There are no real new features except a few like IK. But I can't
wait to get my hands on 5.0 though. I have a long wish-list I would like to be implemented. Like the abillity to map an image
in user-defined axis instead of just X, Y and Z.

Jean-Eric Hénault



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Subject: TOASTER ---> PLAY
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For those of you who have been following NewTek for the past 5-6 years
know how fun the company used to be. How revolutionnary the products
were at the time. Do some of you miss the OLD NewTek ?

Check-out Play's home page (www.play.com). The Trinity section makes my
blood boil in excitement. Those of you who are or have been using the
Toaster should especially visit the site.

Jean-Eric



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From: Jean-Eric Hénault <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: Now I'm confused... LIGHTWAVE 4.0 or 3D MAX?
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 12:42:25 -0400
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Stranahan wrote:
>
>  Putting the cart before the horse: it's intuitive because Allen and
> Stuart
> are good interface designers.  It was shipped with the Toaster because it
> was
> intuitive (picky picky picky). >8^)
> ---------------------------------------------------------
>
> No, not true.
>
> First off, not to take anything away from Allen and Stuart, but there a
> few other people had a lot to do with the interface - I know Daniel Kaye
> did some work on it, and I know there were some others...
>
> LightWave 1.0 was FAR from Intuitive. Remember when Layout was 2 screens
> you had to switch back and forth between?  LightWave got easier because
> the mandate was to make it easier....
>
> _____________________________________________
> Lee Stranahan
> Home Page URL - http://users.aol.com/stranahan/main.htm
>
> A NEW tape/CD-ROM from the Stranahan Brothers is coming SOON!
> ACCESS DENIED : THE CRAFT OF VISUAL EFFECTS FILMMAKING
>
> Access DeniedURL - http://users.aol.com/stranahan/access.htm


I only wish they could update the look of the interface. Anyone tired of gray? I like the sleed Windows look with graphical
Icons. Check-out Alias new Interface... That's really cool. Textured interface anyone?

Jean-Eric


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From: [e-mail] (Paul Mccoy)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: GVP phone pak questions
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[e-mail] (Derek Lang) wrote:

> This message is primarily to any Amiga users out there...

>An idea struck me as I was washing dishes the other day (okay maybe I
>wasn't washing the dishes :-> but it sounded like a good opener).

>  I would like to create an Arexx script that uses the GVP phone Pack so
>that when I'm away from my computer I can call it up and punch in some
>seceret number and get the Amiga to blab back what frame it's rendering.

>  I don't have a phone pak device so I don't know if this is entirely
>possible.  Someone told me that the Phone Pak uses the Narrator device
>and that it is Arexx-able.

>So here's some questions...

>1.  Does the GVP Phone Pak work under WB3.0?
>2.  How much memory does the voice mail software take up?
>3.  How Arexx-able is it?
>4.  Can it still be bought from somewhere?

>Is there another way of doing this without the GVP phone pak?


>Derek<<<<<
>--
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>Toronto, Ontario  |--------------------------------------------------------
>Canada            |  WebPage-O-Fun -->  http://www.io.org/~dlang

Hi Derek,

Interesting that you should ask about this now. I did the very thing
you're talking about with the phonepak and arexx about 3 years ago. It
works! Except for the part about the speech. Apparently there's no way
to access the narrator or speech device from the ppak. However, it IS
possible to remotely control the toaster (including LW) over the phone
lines. Also works with Scala for starting and stopping sequences. I
spoke to a number of people at the time about what I had accomplished,
but no one seemed to understand the significance of what I was talking
about! So the idea has languished ever since. I believe I still have
the working Arexx script kicking around somewhere. Of course, you need
a Ppak board for it do you any good. Great little device that one.
It's full power was never realized. Too late now I guess.

Hope this helps.

PS Hi to Hammed Malik, who I see is in this thread.

Regards, Paul McCoy
                WebScape Design
                Oshawa, ON


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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Re: Can anyone email me lightwave?
Date: 13 Apr 1996 17:43:28 GMT
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>   WEI L LEE <[e-mail]> writes:
>  I need Lightwave now. can anybody email me a copy please?

    Gee, I dunno.  Can you please go to hell?


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From: [e-mail]
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>   [e-mail] (emmanuel olympia) writes:
>
>  I would like some comments, suggestions, opinions on drawing tablets to be
>  used both as a mouse and as a tool for programs such as lightwave and
>  photoshop for a NT/Pentium system.  Are there any standard tablets which
>  everybody uses? pls. let me know.  I am planning to buy one soon. thx
>
>  Emmanuel


    IMO, tablets are not a useful interface device for Lightwave.  This is
from experience using my table (Wacom 6x8, recommended) with LW & LWM:  it just
doesn't feel right.

    BTW, I love this tablet with PShop and FDP.

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InstntGuts <[e-mail]> wrote:
: <<And Autodesk WISHES it were their market.>>

: I doubt it; I don't think Autodesk's stockholders would trade their
: company's $28 million in 3D Studio sales last year for NewTek's $300,000
: debt on sales of 1,500 copies of LW PC in 1995.

In all honesty, though, LW PC didn't become available until verrrry late
in the year. It has a large base of Amiga users, many of whom will switch
to the PC or NT.

However, Newtek is going from being the highest end program on the Amiga
platform to a relatively mid-power program on the PC. Advantages are that
it runs on regular Win95, which is a lot cheaper to get into than a 64
meg NT machine, and it's fairly flexible in accepting objects from other
programs.


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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Re: NAB'96: Last Tango for LightWave?
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>   [e-mail] writes:
>  You know what?  As far as most things go Lightwave DOESN'T need anything else.
>  Everything that's being added to LW and every other package is just things to
>  make things easier; nothing actually new (well, rarely).

    ???  Making things easier is the name of the game.  "All" inverse
kinematics do is "make things easier".

    My list is very short, but includes:  integrated dynamics, volumetric
lighting, and expressions.  Only the second is NOT being addressed by 3rd party
plugins.  I've been told that rendering is now "plug-inable", so maybe volumetric
lights >can<  (that is "may") be addressable by plugins.  Plug-in gurus, feel free
to correct.

    Oh, yeah, and UV surface mapping.

    But to say "just make things easier" is all that software is about.  Most
of the time making things easier is tantamount to making them possible.


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Jean-Eric Hénault <[e-mail]> wrote:
: Jeff Jasper wrote:
: think LightWave will be pretty stable. LightWave 4.0 also suffered a
: complete platform change. The Amiga is a very different machine from the
: PC. Now that the transition is complete, I think LW will be a formidable
: piece of software.

The question is this: is the PC now Lightwave's primary development
platform? In other words, what will come first, the next PC version of LW
or the Amiga version? I just can't help but think that Newtek's former
Amiga fanaticism affects how they look at the PC. That fanaticism led
them to make some very bad decisions a couple of years ago that still
affect them.

In other words, is the Amiga now the platform that gets a port of LW,
after everything is finished on the PC?

And what is Newtek doing to get ALL of its plugin vendors off the Amiga
and onto the PC? One thing about Autodesk: their commitment and loyalty to
the PC and NT platforms is unquestionable. Their programmers do not feel
a need to go through a cleansing ritual to wash the stench of Microsoft
from their fingers every time they code on a PC.

: Jean-Eric Hénault
: CG Animator

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Dean A. Scott wrote:
>
> Already starting to think about this year's SIGraph now that NAB
> season is hear and soon to be gone.
>
> Anyone know when and where Siggy is coming to be this year?
>
> --
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>                    / /~~~
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> -----------------------------------------------
> Dean A. Scott, SILICON MAGIC, "Your Key To 3D!"
> Í---------------------------------------------Í
>   http://users.aol.com/dscott5663/simagic.htm
>     Home of "Power Tips Pro for LightWave"

I believe it's the second week of August and I know it is in New
Orleans.  Go to http://www.siggraph.org

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Steph Greenberg wrote:
>

>
> NAB is also more "suit" oriented than Siggraph. People in tie-dyed
> Grateful Dead t-shirts and polka dot shorts aren't taken as seriously by
> salesmen on the floor as they are at Siggraph. There also aren't any good parties
> at NAB either. However, in Las Vegas, the bars *are* open 24 hours a day.
> And food is cheap.
>
> :         /XX\ Andreas                            [e-mail]
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Bars? There are bars in Las Vegas?? I thought there were only 24-hour casinos in
Las Vegas. <g>

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Subject: OFFTOPIC- Play's Snappy
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Can anyone give me some info about the Snappy from Play?  I just checked out the samples from their web page
and am having a hard time believing that those images were grabbed from video.

1.  How the hell does it get resolutions up to something like 1500x1200 from a video signal?
2.  How important is the quality of video?  Is it the most essential element?
3.  They say all you have to do is click the button and "presto" you have a flawless image.  How does this
messure up to the actual use of the product experienced users?
4.  Can you grab a high quality image from a paused image source (VHS deck), or do you have to have really good
timing?

thanks.
--

Bryant Reif
mailto:[e-mail]
http://www.aiesec.org/~bryant

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From: [e-mail](William Teegarden)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: NAB'96: Last Tango for LightWave?
Date: 13 Apr 1996 05:44:00 GMT
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>>
---->> I really really want some form of NURBS to be included in LW
5.0.
>> Metaform is an ok substitute but some things are done more
efficiently
>> w/ NURBS.<----



Like what for example?


GT





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From: [e-mail] (The Digital Nomad)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: Frames Per Second?
Date: 13 Apr 1996 19:43:07 GMT
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Mark Dunakin ([e-mail]) wrote:
: On Wed 10-Apr-1996  7:24a, The Digital Nomad wrote:

: TN> Oh, gawd....if you SCALE it by 2 and you had 30 frames you would get
: TN> 60frames...not FRAMES/SEC(that's up to your anim player)
: TN> SCALE scales the _number_ of frames, other than that it does not affect
: TN> time
: TN> in any way.

: ------------------
: I'm sorry, but it DOES affect time of the animation. No matter what speed you
: could play it back at, it's still is going to be a looonnnggerrr and thus
: slower animation. When you take a straight length between two points in an
: animation, the more frames inbetween the two points that you have the longer
: it will take to get to the other side. The longer something takes, the slower
: something is. When you shoot and film a bullet you have to have "sure a faster
: speed" but at zillions more frames to see the bullet. And what happens when
: you play it back? it looks slower. Why? Because you have more frames. And of

I already know all of this...my point was that the original post said it
converted to FRAMES/SEC...it don't convert FRAMES/SEC except for the fact
that it adds more FRAMES...which is exactly what you just stated and I
just stated again...I just used some abbrevity in my statement hoping
that people would understand that the more frames you have means that at
30 fps it will have more time...simple

: course I know that when you play it back you are playing at a slower speed,
: but the point I'm making is that you STILL need MORE frames to make it work
: that way...........And just think, all the orriginal post wanted to know, was
: how to slow down his logo a bit............md

Exactly.....

--
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From: [e-mail](Brenden Mecleary )
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Subject: Re: Whoa! LW 5.0?!
Date: 13 Apr 1996 05:51:24 GMT
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In <4kl9s9$est$[e-mail]> [e-mail]
(Steven Johansen) writes:
>
>    Well, at a guess yes.
>    Rumour has it that more info will come to light during the NAB
>show. Which I think is this weekend.(Not totally sure about the date
>though.)
>    I imagine that this newsgroup or the newtek web site will pass on
>any LW 5 info pretty quickly (if there is any news :-)


Audience: So LW 5.0 is nearing readiness?
Newtek Rep: Sure!  It's shipping in two weeks!!!  ;)

                                                    Brenden Mecleary
                                                    [e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Mark Dunakin)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: Don't use revision D
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On Fri 12-Apr-1996 10:04a, TL Westgate wrote:
TW> Frédéric Druilhet wrote:
TW> >
TW> > There is no more boolean operation
TW> > If you've got an answer, mail me !
TW> > Frédéric DRUILHET
TW> > [e-mail]
TW> > http://www.planete.net/~druilhet

TW> I don't know what you downloaded, but my Rev. D had boolean functions
TW> that work just fine. And the Font bug is finally fixed. No more
TW> Postscript fonts! Yippee! True type forever. I deleted my whole PSFONTS
TW> directory. Good ridance.
---------------------
What exactly do you mean by, font bug is finally fixed? I'm on a Dec Alpha
with 4.0 and I am unable to use the TrueType Fonts. When ever I make a letter
that has a hole in it, such as the letter "D" or something, the hole is all
screwed up. I had to go out and buy some PostScript fonts just to make things
work. I wish that I could use ALL the normal fonts like you get to :(
...............And also, even when I read the manuals and the other book I got
on LW, they all say that you need to use PostScript fonts.....?

md

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Since this newsgroup has gone from alt.newtek.bash.bash.bash to
alt.3DStudioMax.vs.Lightwave, I figured it'd be a good time to repost this
newsgroup's charter in hopes we can stop the insanity and massive cross-posts
on topics not relating to LightWave3D.

For the most part, this information still stands however, my e-mail address
has definately changed.  In addition, there is no mailing list to newsgroup
gateway.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------

                              Originally
                    comp.graphics.packages.lightwave
                                 Now
                      comp.graphics.apps.lightwave

----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Group Name:     comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Status:         Unmoderated
Summary:        Discussion of all aspects of Lightwave 3D, a 3D modeling,
                rendering and animation package from NewTek Inc.
Distribution:   World
Proposed by:    Daniel J. McCoy ([e-mail])

Charter modified on 5/24/95 to reflect new newsgroup creation and
information changes to reflect LightWave3D's current status on various
platforms.

CHARTER
-------

This unmoderated newsgroup proposed as
comp.graphics.apps.lightwave will be used for the discussion of
NewTek Inc's Lightwave 3D, a 3D modeling and rendering package available
for PC's running Windows/Win32s, Windows95 and WindowsNT, MIPs and DEC
Alpha based systems running WindowsNT and Silicon Graphics systems.
Topics appropriate to this newsgroup will include but are not limited to:

     * General questions and answers on using Lightwave 3D.
     * Product announcements relating to Lightwave 3D and third party
       products that benefit Lightwave 3D.
     * Rexx macros to enhance Layout and Modeler usage.
     * Optimizing options to get the most out of Lightwave 3D.

The following topics are examples of what is not appropriate to discuss
in this proposed newsgroup:

     * Platform specific discussions which should be directed to their
       appropriate newsgroups.
     * Lightwave oriented product advertising should be limited to brief
       messages pointing to an e-mail address or phone number to get
       further information.
     * Advertising platform specific products should be directed to the
       appropriate platform newsgroups.


BACKGROUND
----------

In the past, Lightwave 3D was only distributed with the Video Toaster
which limited it's use to those living in countries where NTSC was the
video standard.  However, Lightwave 3D is now also available as a
standalone package for ALL Amiga owners.  In addition, NewTek Inc.
announced at Siggraph '94 that Lightwave 3D will be ported to Windows,
WindowsNT, and SGI platforms by the end of 1994.  Lightwave 3D is used by
a great number of professionals and hobbyists for a wide variety of uses
and projects.  TV shows such as Babylon 5, seaQuest and RoboCop are
examples of where Lightwave 3D is used.


RATIONALE
---------

Currently, there is a mailing list dedicated to Lightwave 3D with a
subscriber base of approximately 500 users with an average of 25-30
messages a day.  Since the release of the standalone version and the
announcement at Siggraph, interest has grown and so has the mailing list.
Due to subscriber responses, it may be appropriate for a new newsgroup to
be created to take the place of this mailing list in an effort to expand
the user base and information sharing on Lightwave 3D.

It has also been expressed by several subscribers that don't have Usenet
newsgroup access that perhaps a mail gateway can be created for access to
this newsgroup.  I am unable to provide such a service, however I would
like to hear from anyone who can personally.

--
Daniel J. McCoy - [e-mail] or [e-mail]
WWW - http://www.pacificnet.net/~djmccoy

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From: [e-mail](William Teegarden)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.animation,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave,comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio
Subject: Re: MAX or Lightwave? How about some MAX here folks.
Date: 13 Apr 1996 06:00:58 GMT
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----> You will note
>though (all you whiners) that 3DSR4 is used for multimedia games (7th
Guest, 11th Hour, etc.)
>Lightwave is used because it comes with the Toaster, which many
studios already own, and are
>proficient with.  Doesn't mean they *like* it...<----



LightWave is not used because it comes with the Toaster.  The Toaster
is not used by TV studios for the production of computer animation.
It's not like they're saying, "Hey, we already have this Video Toaster
thingy, why not utilize it's 3D program and save a few bucks...."

LightWave is used by film and TV professionals because the software is
easy to use, straightforwardly laid out, generates high quality
imagrey, and is for the most part quite inexpensive.  You don't need a
bank of plugins to do the stuff seen on TV, which is a big asset.

The software is designed from the ground up to produce the kinds of
imagrey seen on TV and film because of it's continued development in
high profile production environments.  None of this has anything to do
with the Video Toaster.  And yes, they do "like" it.  If there was a
cost effective alternative they'd try it, but so fas there isn't.

GT






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Newsgroups: comp.graphics.animation,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave,comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio
Subject: Re: MAX or Lightwave? How about some MAX here
Date: 13 Apr 1996 06:06:25 GMT
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>
--->It's not the tool, it's what you do with it. <g><----


That's what she said!

GT



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Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
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I just recently purchased Fractal Design Poser (which I highly
reccomend) for generating human models that I can use in
Lightwave.  Does anybody know how to create a bones heirarchy
(parent / child) so that as I move the bones my model doesn't
look like an accident victum?

How do I create two child bones off(left & right legs) to link
with a parent torso bone?  If anyone has used bones on a human
model successfully, could you list your bones heirarchy (preferably
with motion limits)?  Thanks!

Jason M. Cahill

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Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
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Date: 13 Apr 1996 20:17:26 GMT
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I'm using Lightwave 4.0 intel. When I load a scene my resources show that
I have 39+Megs of free RAM. When I start rendering the machine starts
using virtual memory. After halting the render, resources show 0Megs free.
Where did 39Megs go? I have been using Lightwave on the PC for a few
months and for two years on the Amiga. This problem seems to have appeared
out of nowhere. I have not had this problem before. Also, I'm running
under both Win95 and WinNT 3.51. The problem is identical running
Lightwave with either. Any advice? I have recently had to mess with
system configurations. Any suggestions?

Thanks..............DLF


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Date: 13 Apr 1996 20:38:16 GMT
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I'm using Lightwave 4.0 intel. When I load a scene my resources show that
I have 39+Megs of free RAM. When I start rendering the machine starts
using virtual memory. After halting the render, resources show 0Megs free.
Where did 39Megs go? I have been using Lightwave on the PC for a few
months and for two years on the Amiga. This problem seems to have appeared
out of nowhere. I have not had this problem before. Also, I'm running
under both Win95 and WinNT 3.51. The problem is identical running
Lightwave with either. Any advice? I have recently had to mess with
system configurations. Any suggestions?

Thanks..............DLF


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Newsgroups: comp.graphics.animation,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave,comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio
Subject: Re: MAX or Lightwave? How about some MAX here folks.
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 96 20:51:37 GMT
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On 4/13/96 1:19AM, in message <4kno35$[e-mail]>, InstntGuts
<[e-mail]> wrote:

> <<And Autodesk WISHES it were their market.>>
>
> I doubt it; I don't think Autodesk's stockholders would trade their
> company's $28 million in 3D Studio sales last year for NewTek's $300,000
> debt on sales of 1,500 copies of LW PC in 1995.
>
> -- Jon

I didn't say they hope to do as poorly, I said they wish Hollywood were
using 3DS more.  Imagine the way their ads would cram it down our throats even
if all they did was seaQuest.  Believe me, Autodesk wants a big part of
Hollywood's business but no one's biting.  Sony is the only one.  They came to
us at Amblin and they've come to us at Digital Domain but to no avail.
--
                      -=Fred=-


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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: Now I'm confused... LIGHTWAVE 4.0 or 3D MAX?
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 96 20:57:02 GMT
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On 4/13/96 9:42AM, in message <[e-mail]>, Jean-Eric Hénault
<[e-mail]> wrote:

> I only wish they could update the look of the interface. Anyone tired of
> gray? I like the sleed Windows look with graphical
> Icons. Check-out Alias new Interface... That's really cool. Textured
> interface anyone?
>
> Jean-Eric
>

I like an interface that has a button that says "RECORD" or "CREATE KEY", not
an interface with a button that has a picture of a VCR or a door key.  I'd be
very upset if Lightwave had a stupid Windows interface.  As for an Alias
interface, yeah it's cool, but it uses up a lot of overhead too.
--
                      -=Fred=-


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Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: Is it true?
Date: 13 Apr 1996 20:59:40 GMT
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[e-mail] (VirtualBri) wrote:
>Mirrored surfaces look bad.  Why would they want to make bad surfacing a
>specific feature?
>--Brian
>http://members.aol.com/virtualbri/
>http://members.aol.com/equinoxii/

Mirrored surfaces look bad? Says who? You can always ray-trace mirrored
surfaces. A ploished wooden table top is a mirrored surface. A pane of
glass is a mirrored surface. Polished metal is a mirrored surface.
Duh............

DLF


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From: [e-mail] (Matt McClanahan)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: Cyrix 6x86 and Lightwave?
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 09:12:13 GMT
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Henri Smulders <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Rich Comber wrote:

>> own a Cyrix 5x86 and NT had problems with that also.  I'd recommend that you
>> stick with a pentium, but get at least a 120.  Just a tiny bit more than the
>> 100 mhz.
>>  Rich Comber <[e-mail]>        "The only bad day you have is the
>>                                        one you never get to see."    Don't get a Pentiu, 120; get a 75 and clock it up to 150 (or at least 100; 150 is very optimistic and I've
>only succeeded once reliably; but I always try ;-)). I have clocked up p5-75 all the way to 150 without problems
>(That ONE was exceptional though!) . I'm currently running off of a P5-75 running RELIABLY at 100 Mhz.
>    Praise the Lord for Intel's high yields and weird marketing!
Then of course, there were a couple cases of clocking a p75 to p100+
and getting unfrotunate results:)  Lesse, one melted through his case,
singing the rug (And making quite a mess of liquid transistors) and
one just internally fused and died :)  But hey, it's worth the speed,
right? ;)

Matt


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From: [e-mail] (Donald Cotnoir-strong)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: MAX or Lightwave? How about some MAX her
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In a message dated 04-12-96 19-15 John Foust writes:

JF> Who is Steven Seagal?  :-)  I learned that phrase from a history
JF> of science class, not some post-apocalyptic chop-chop shoot-shoot
JF> save-the-babe-in-the-fur-bikini movie...

The bad guy in Under Siege 2 uses it as his watchword.

BTW, the movie would have been better if it had actually been the
one you describe above.


Don Cotnoir-Strong
Temporal Arts
205-351-7326


* Offline Orbit 0.72 *

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> I didn't say they hope to do as poorly, I said they wish Hollywood were
> using 3DS more.  Imagine the way their ads would cram it down our throats even
> if all they did was seaQuest.  Believe me, Autodesk wants a big part of
> Hollywood's business but no one's biting.  Sony is the only one.  They came to
> us at Amblin and they've come to us at Digital Domain but to no avail.

Sony is not the only one by far. Blurr uses 3DS almost exclusively. Sony uses it
and Disney. From what I have heard from most major production houses like Boss, ILM
etc. is they own just about everything and still end up using their own in house
tools for a lot of their work. I will contact somebody from Amblin and DD to see for
myself if they own copies.

Jeff

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In all honesty, though, LW PC didn't become available until verrrry late
in the year. It has a large base of Amiga users, many of whom will switch
to the PC or NT.
----------------------------

This has not been the case so far, and NewTek no longer has an upgrade for
Toaster users - they must pay full price now.. The Toaster sold about
35,000 units - the 1500 figure mentioned comes from that base. You have to
assume that most of the people who plan to upgrade, have upgraded.


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> Lets get something straight here: I am talking about Hollywood special effects.
>  Frankly, EVERY, I repeat _EVERY_ 3D program is capable of doing games, and
> every program IS being used.  If that's what you want to do, then it really
> doesn't matter whether you're using 3DS, 3DS MAX, or Lightwave.  You might
> enjoy one or the other, but it really doesn't matter what you use.  As for
> pre-vis, Lightwave is used more than 3DS.  For example, it was used for
> Jurassic Park, Jumanji, and currently Lost World (JP2).  Once again though, any
> program worth its salt could be used.

Tell that to SEGA, I don't think they would just use ANY program for their 3D stuff.
They tend to lean towards Alias and 3DS. I would like to see you do a top selling game
with Simply 3D or something like that.

> If you want to talk about professional "Hollywood style" special effects, don't
> even mention Johnny Anemic.  Those aren't the kind of effects I am talking
> about (and the best sequence in the film was done in Alias anyway).  Those are
> computer graphics intended to look like computer graphics, and once again, you
> could have done that with ANY program.  They weren't the same kind of thing as,
> say Jurassic Park or Star Wars.  Same goes for Virtuosity.  I'll grant you that
> a 3 second face peel isn't much, but 1) it was a photoreal effect, unlike
> Johnny Moronic, and 2) it was only a start.  You wouldn't believe some of the
> current film projects using Lightwave and purposely NOT 3DS or 3DS MAX.  I'm
> still waiting to see a project that uses 3DS or MAX to the extent of Hercules,
> seaQuest, B5, Space:Above and Beyond, Robocop The Series, and even Star Trek
> Voyager.  I've been hearing some good things about MAX so maybe this will
> happen soon--I'm looking forward to it.

Johnny Mnemonic was far from being bad in the animation department. The animation
matched exactly the look they were going for. It wasn't mean to look like reality,
it was meant to look like cyberspace in the future as was the same in Virtuosity.
If you look back on Starwars you can see a lot of stuff that wouldn't pass now.
The matte painting is very obvious in many of the space scenes. ILM did do a great
job for the times. Anyway my point wasn't that other programs suck, it's just that
3DS far from sucks and is used widely for TV and film in contrast to what most people
think. No it isn't used for a wekkly series, but I don't see and weekly series using
Wavefront either, and the only one I can think of that uses Softimage is reboot. Does
this mean that they are bad programs? I don't think anyone will say yes to that. If you
want to see realistic stuff done with 3DS check out Casino, where they used 3DS with
the Lightscape renderer. Now that 3DS is being marketed by a mutimedia company,
Kenetix, you will probably see more of 3DS being hyped up.

Jeff

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I just can't help but think that Newtek's former
Amiga fanaticism affects how they look at the PC. That fanaticism led
them to make some very bad decisions a couple of years ago that still
affect them.
-------------------

I understand why you might think 'Amiga fanaticism' was behind the
slowness of the move to other platforms.

Not remotely true. Tim Jenison - NewTek's owner, president, and THE
impediment to moving to the PC -  doesn't really give a damn about the
Amiga one way or another. He's told me that real clearly on a number of
occasions.

The actual issue is that Tim isn't interested in products he didn't
develop. He either needs to get involved in them and slows the development
process down (which is part of the reason why he's lost every single
solitary engineer who worked with him two and a half years ago) OR he
focuses on other things, which is why LightWave's promotion has languished
and blown it's chance to take market share.




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David Forbus wrote:
>
> [e-mail] (VirtualBri) wrote:
> >Mirrored surfaces look bad.  Why would they want to make bad surfacing a
> >specific feature?
> >--Brian
> >http://members.aol.com/virtualbri/
> >http://members.aol.com/equinoxii/
>
> Mirrored surfaces look bad? Says who? You can always ray-trace mirrored
> surfaces. A ploished wooden table top is a mirrored surface. A pane of
> glass is a mirrored surface. Polished metal is a mirrored surface.
> Duh............
>
> DLF

You have absolutely no idea what this thread is about, do you.
--

Bryant Reif
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In <4kng40$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Stranahan)
writes:
>
>My brother Ken, along with Don Waller, did some dinosaur stuff for an
>upcoming episode of Sliders that will KILL you.....all LightWave, very
>very cool....
>
>Ken's face peel was cool, but not character stuff - THIS is character
>stuff....
>
>
>
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When does it air?

JS

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On 4/13/96 2:50PM, in message <[e-mail]>, Jeff Jasper
<[e-mail]> wrote:

> > I didn't say they hope to do as poorly, I said they wish Hollywood were
> > using 3DS more.  Imagine the way their ads would cram it down our throats
> even
> > if all they did was seaQuest.  Believe me, Autodesk wants a big part of
> > Hollywood's business but no one's biting.  Sony is the only one.  They came
> to
> > us at Amblin and they've come to us at Digital Domain but to no avail.
>
> Sony is not the only one by far. Blurr uses 3DS almost exclusively. Sony uses
> it
> and Disney. From what I have heard from most major production houses like
> Boss, ILM
> etc. is they own just about everything and still end up using their own in
> house
> tools for a lot of their work. I will contact somebody from Amblin and DD to
> see for
> myself if they own copies.
>
> Jeff
There is no Amblin Imaging any more, I was there for the entire life of the
company and we didn't have it.  I'm at DD now and we don't have it (the New
Media division has it but that's not movies and TV).

What has Blurr done?
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>   [e-mail] (InstntGuts) writes:
> you’re
>  going to hear a *lot* more about 3D Studio being used in film and TV.
>
>  -- Jon

    Fine, as long as we don't have to hear about it HERE!  >8^)


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>   Bryant Reif <[e-mail]> writes:
>  Notice I said *some form* of NURBS.  I am very aware of the article Stuart wrote
>  for LWPro and agree with him totally.<SNIP!>

    Just a small correction:  I think that was actually a classic net.flame that
    John G. requested to reprint in LWPro.


>  mmmmmm... B-spines editor.

    Meanwhile, have a donut!

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On 4/13/96 3:17PM, in message <[e-mail]>, Jeff Jasper
<[e-mail]> wrote:

> >Once again though, any program worth its salt could be used.
>
> Tell that to SEGA, I don't think they would just use ANY program for their 3D
> stuff. They tend to lean towards Alias and 3DS. I would like to see you do a
> top selling game with Simply 3D or something like that.
>
LucasArts uses DeluxePaint which is a cheap little 2D program (about $100).
They've used it on the best-selling Dark Forces game.  So there.  Besides, if
the Sega folks are fooled by the Alias hype that's their misfortune.

> Johnny Mnemonic was far from being bad in the animation department. The
> animation matched exactly the look they were going for. It wasn't mean to
> look like reality, it was meant to look like cyberspace in the future as was
> the same in Virtuosity.

I didn't say they were "bad" in the animation department, I just said that
those types of effects don't really show off the photoreal qualities of a
program because they are supposed to look computer generated.  So, you see, I'm
not saying they failed, I'm saying that mentioning those films as examples of
what 3DS is capable of is pointless.  I could have done the same with just
about any program.

>   If you look back on Starwars you can see a lot of stuff that wouldn't pass
> now. The matte painting is very obvious in many of the space scenes. ILM did
> do a great job for the times.
Yes, and I'm still waiting to see 3DS used for something that is considered the
best for these times.

>  Anyway my point wasn't that other programs suck, it's just that 3DS far from
> sucks and is used widely for TV and film in contrast to what most people
> think. No it isn't used for a wekkly series, but I don't see and weekly
> series using Wavefront either, and the only one I can think of that uses
> Softimage is reboot. Does this mean that they are bad programs? I don't think
> anyone will say yes to that. If you want to see realistic stuff done with 3DS
> check out Casino, where they used 3DS with the Lightscape renderer. Now that
> 3DS is being marketed by a mutimedia company, Kenetix, you will probably see
> more of 3DS being hyped up.
>
> Jeff
Alias/Wavefront, and SoftImage aren't used more because of price/performance
and time problems.  Movies have a lot more time and money, hence the heavy use
of these packages.  Lightwave is making significant inroads now.  3DS/Max
isn't; I know it hasn't been officially released yet, but then neither has LW 5
and LW is still way on top as far as its use in effects.  When 3DS 4 came out,
people said the same things:  "3DS will rule"  3DS 4 spells the end of LW" "3DS
will be used in big Hollywood films doing cutting edge effects now" "3DS is way
better than LW", etc.  Well, none of that came to pass did it?  If it was so
great back then, what happened?  Where are the movies?  Where are the TV shows?
 Why is everyone here saying that Max is so much better than LW now when it was
supposed to be better way back when it was 3DS 4?  What that means is that you
were wrong then.  It remains to be seen who will be wrong this time, but my
money is on Max being wrong.
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In article <4koqnm$[e-mail]> Steph Greenberg <[e-mail]> writes:

>The question is this: is the PC now Lightwave's primary development
>platform? In other words, what will come first, the next PC version of LW
>or the Amiga version? I just can't help but think that Newtek's former
>Amiga fanaticism affects how they look at the PC. That fanaticism led
>them to make some very bad decisions a couple of years ago that still
>affect them.

>In other words, is the Amiga now the platform that gets a port of LW,
>after everything is finished on the PC?

>And what is Newtek doing to get ALL of its plugin vendors off the Amiga
>and onto the PC? One thing about Autodesk: their commitment and loyalty to
>the PC and NT platforms is unquestionable. Their programmers do not feel
>a need to go through a cleansing ritual to wash the stench of Microsoft
>from their fingers every time they code on a PC.


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Since NewTek released 4.0 pre-release for the PC first and the final version
for the PC first, it seems likely that the PC version is now considered the
flagholder.  There are probably more registered users of LW on the Amiga, but
I'd guess there are more 4.0 users on the PC.  If NewTek fails to recognize
that LW for NT is the future of LW, then that will be a huge mistake.



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Since this newsgroup has gone from alt.newtek.bash.bash.bash to
alt.3DStudioMax.vs.Lightwave, I figured it'd be a good time to repost this

newsgroup's charter in hopes we can stop the insanity and massive
cross-posts
on topics not relating to LightWave3D.
-------------

I read the charter, again. I fail to see how a discussion of LightWave's
strengths relative to other software is off-topic. Random insults directed
at me by anonymous sources (though we can all guess who they are) didn't
get this chastisement.

This is LightWave discussion - the company that sells LightWave is
important. The competition is important. The discussion on here are
important, too.



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The best grabs come from Laserdisc. The high resolution is achieved
through interpaltion (sic) of the fields. It's VERy easy, and works great
- although -click- PRESTO is not accurate. More like -click-....wait a
little....PRESTO.

The pictures of people in my life section of my homepage has two Snappy
grabs, although they are small, they look nice - the pic of Jennifer was
grabbed with live camera, the pic of my brother Ken was grabbed from video
tape...


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From: [e-mail] (Stranahan)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Lee Stranahan's NAB Page
Date: 13 Apr 1996 20:01:05 -0400
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I'm doing an NAB, and (hopefully) will be updating it every day or so -
look for the first installment late Sunday night, or first thing Monday AM
- it will be accessed through my home page.

It'll have pictures, info on LW, MAX, SI, Trinity, non-linear editors,
events and (of course!) LOTS of opinions....


_____________________________________________
Lee Stranahan
Home Page URL - http://users.aol.com/stranahan/main.htm

A NEW tape/CD-ROM from the Stranahan Brothers is coming SOON!
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From: [e-mail] (Shadow)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: LW and rendering to .AVI files
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 19:41:18 -0600
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Using 1024x768 display w/16 mill colors

When I render in LW, the images look great.  When I save them to an avi file
the images though recognizeable look considerably worse.  Why?  Is avi not
capable of displaying these images.  The avi files on the disk look okay (a
little small).

What would be a good program to use for the intel to display these images?

Thank you.


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From: [e-mail] (Waverider)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: Frame Renumbering
Date: 14 Apr 1996 02:08:34 GMT
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In article <4km2ip$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] wrote:
>After just renumbring 100 frames by hand on the PC, I gotta wonder if
>there's a PD renumberer, renamer??? Direcory Opus ported iver yet?
>John Donlevie
>Road-Ease, Inc.
>Drexel Hill, PA
>[e-mail]
>
Yes there is...I posted a slick windows 95 NT renamer to Newtek's and
tomahawk's sites.  It's called Multiname, and does just what you want. :)

Good luck.

-Bill Ford

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From: [e-mail] (Jrmdd)
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For Sale Intel 4.0 LW  (with dongle)  $650 or make serious offer.

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From: [e-mail] (Mark Dunakin)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Star field?
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Say does anyone know how you make that star field that is shaped like a big
ball. I can make a ball of dots that is solid, but I don't see how they made a
ball of dots that is hollow.........If some one knows how this was done I'd
appreciate knowing what the scoop is. And if I figure it out I'll tell about
it..........md

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From: [e-mail] (InstntGuts)
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<Sony is not the only one by far. Blurr uses 3DS almost exclusively. Sony
uses it
and Disney. From what I have heard from most major production houses like
Boss, ILM
etc. is they own just about everything and still end up using their own in
house
tools for a lot of their work. I will contact somebody from Amblin and DD
to see for
myself if they own copies.>

Dave Carson, an effects supervisor at ILM (and a C++ programmer), has had
a copy of 3D Studio MAX for several months now.

...And, to annoy people in both the 3D Studio and Lightwave groups
equally, note that *neither* program is being used for the space shots in
the revised "Star Wars": many of them are being done in ElectricImage on
the Mac.

-- Jon




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From: [e-mail] (Daniel J. McCoy)
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In article <4kpf7d$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Stranahan) wrote:
>----------
>Since this newsgroup has gone from alt.newtek.bash.bash.bash to
>alt.3DStudioMax.vs.Lightwave, I figured it'd be a good time to repost this
>
>newsgroup's charter in hopes we can stop the insanity and massive
>cross-posts
>on topics not relating to LightWave3D.
>-------------
>
>I read the charter, again. I fail to see how a discussion of LightWave's
>strengths relative to other software is off-topic. Random insults directed
>at me by anonymous sources (though we can all guess who they are) didn't
>get this chastisement.
>
>This is LightWave discussion - the company that sells LightWave is
>important. The competition is important. The discussion on here are
>important, too.

While I agree that many of the messages have been informative, many are
nothing more than messages meant to start platform wars.  Worse, it gets nasty
and unkind message exchanges between individuals but posted publically pop out
airing dirty laundry that just doesn't belong (ie: random insults directed
any anyone).

While I'm just as happy to skip messages, it'd be great to see some of these
types of things disappear and concentrate on actual value added LightWave
related content which is what this newsgroup was created for.

Hell.  Even my message isn't value added LightWave related material.  :)
Dan

--
Daniel J. McCoy - [e-mail] or [e-mail]
WWW - http://www.pacificnet.net/~djmccoy

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From: [e-mail] (Chris Golchert)
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Stranahan ([e-mail]) wrote:
: only has a LITTLE to do with the quality of the program.  The program is
: GREAT, overall.....however the Amiga was also great overall, too. There

: they felt like NewTek was a lot of talk and no action. Smaller companies
: are producing some great products, yet going broke doing it because the
: market is small and the costs are high.

...but..one the Amiga there are (were) some great programers that pumpred
out PD stuff that the PC world was paying 100s for...we NEED these people
to get on the LW boat with us....I'm learning C so I can get my ideas
into the LW world...not to make money but I thought many people would
want my plug-ins....I planned a PD release since I'm still learning and
don't need a deadline for them.


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From: [e-mail] (Chris Golchert)
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Subject: Re: NAB'96: Last Tango for LightWave?
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Bryant Reif ([e-mail]) wrote:

: Here's a crazy idea... NewTek sells off LW.  Anyone think it is the answer for LW
: (not NewTek)?

: I'm sure people are going to flame me for this, but understand that I came from a
: Mac/PC background and have no ties (or allegiance) to the Amiga.  And from at least

if a BIG company sells LW then we will be expecting BIG prices.

some of the companies mentioned would prob. bump the price up 10X
bad enough the SGI version is going for 3K

If the price goes up then the only people with LW will be companies that
can afford it and anyone with access to a pirate bbs or say a friend with
a cd-writer.

maybe the intel version isn't making as much as the sgi version at 1/3
the cost...lets drop it...

while we at it lets see how many Amiga users are out there we can kill
off since we no longer support that platform.  Might kill a lot of
talent, I hate windoze 95 and can't see the switch...I run for the dos
prompt as much as possible when using a PC.  My Amiga has been a
lightwave "workstation" for three years (not that I can even afford a
demo reel).   Not many people have seen my work (after the HD crash
yesterday not many people will for a while).  there may be more people
out there better than the "published" artists using it at a hobbie level
until they can get there images to tape.


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From: [e-mail] (Chris Golchert)
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Subject: Re: lens flares
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Your Name ([e-mail]) wrote:

: I have a case who is hollow and has some slots for ventilation, in this
: case i have a point light with lensflare (glow behind objects).
: If i render this object, the steaks cut my object.
: Has anyone an idea, why the light do that?

it's going to..

the effect "glow behind" kinda creates a glow effect on a plane that will
cut through the objects...it is meant to simulate a very distant glow not
a local one....to do what you want you may have to create a glow type
object and maps..or mess with the glow function in the effects panel.

Chris




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From: Steph Greenberg <[e-mail]>
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Elliot Bain <[e-mail]> wrote:

: Bars? There are bars in Las Vegas?? I thought there were only 24-hour casinos in
: Las Vegas. <g>

Ok, Ok. I confess, I like those bars with the 5 card poker games actually sunk
into the bar. You find them in all the casinos. If you work it out right, the
last one you visit is the one in your own hotel, because you won't be able to
stumble much further than the elevator.

: --
: Elliot Bain
: Laurell Creative Services
: 614.459.4404

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Mark Dunakin wrote:

> Can I get something like that for my alpha with NT 3.51? I sure am having a
> hard time finding programs for this thing that'll work.......md

  You might want to get info from the companies that show their products at
NAB..I'm sure one of them will have something that will reduce the polygon
count of a LightWave model...perhaps ask NEWTEK after NAB if they know of any
software which will reduce the polygons of a LW model...lotta new stuff will
be shown at the show..which starts i think..on monday?? or tuesday..

Adam


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From: [e-mail] (James Jones/Nibbles and Bits)
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Subject: Re: Dongle Failure
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[e-mail] said:

>James Jones/Nibbles and Bits wrote:
>>
>> [e-mail] said:
>>
>> >I, personally have bought two copies, and therefore have two
>> >dongles. I wish I could have bought more memory, instead.
>>
>>    Instead of buying the other LW? Sounds like the dongle worked
>> quite well -- it kept you honest.
>>
>
>Since I can't look you in the eye and see if your eyes are twinkling or
>not, I have the choice of either getting mad because you're making
>assumptions you have no right to make, or you're making fun of a
>situation that begs making fun of because getting mad only increases
>the frustration of the situation. And no, I only run LW on one machine
>at a time. The second copy is insurance, pure and simple. I have
>redundancy on most items in my studio that can't be replaced or rented
>on short notice.

   Sorry, no twinkle. :) I was indeed making an assumption (not
unwarrented, I think, given the wording of your text) about the
intended use for your 2nd copy of LW.
   Using it as insurance is certainly an honest (if somewhat extreme
:) measure. My apologies.

   -Jim

James G. Jones
Nibbles & Bits
[e-mail]


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I recently tried saving the same small scene (just 30 frames) at
the different save quailities in cinapack from 0% to 100%. There was no
difference, file size was the same and image quailty was also no
different. Is there a reason for this? And one more question, does
anybody know the data rate for saving with avi? is it 150K per frame or
higher? thanks in advance..
Marco Sederquist
[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Kevin Gleeson)
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Subject: Re: PVR board and LW/NT
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] wrote:
>ANyone have any familarity with DPS's Perception Video Recorder?
>
>I'm looking into buying it but am wondering several things since people
>(dealers) seem to be giving me different answers.
>
>I orderd LW for Intel and will probably install it on my NT side (I have
> WFW3.11
>and NT on my P120 system), figuring that 32bit is much faster (I hope) than a
> 16
>bit version.  Any opinions? Facts?

Yes, run it on NT and forget WFW. 95 is fine too, but your greatest speed will
come under NT. 32 Megs or more only.

>
>Also, I want to get the PVR baord, but thought it only ran on NT, one dealer
>(Anti-Gravity...) said it runs on regular windows as well.  Anyone know the
>truth here?  Anyone have any opinion on this board?

It runs under all Windows flavours, but again is most comfortable under NT (a
couple of minor bugs under NT 4.0 Beta, though.)

The PVR is exceptional quality especially for the price.

>
>Thanks in advance.
>
>Bob
>

Cheers

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Kevin Gleeson
Imagine It
3D animation and graphics
Hobart
Tasmania
Australia

The Librarian Rules! - OOOK!
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From: [e-mail] (PMshark)
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AAAAAAAAAAAARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!
PJ
[e-mail]
Visual Designer

"Look and you will find it--what is unsought will go undetected"
SOPHOCLES

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From: [e-mail] (Tim Krego)
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On 13 Apr 1996 10:42:02 -0700, Steph Greenberg <[e-mail]>
wrote:
>: I doubt it; I don't think Autodesk's stockholders would trade their
>: company's $28 million in 3D Studio sales last year for NewTek's $300,000
>: debt on sales of 1,500 copies of LW PC in 1995.
>
>In all honesty, though, LW PC didn't become available until verrrry late
>in the year.

True.

>It has a large base of Amiga users, many of whom will switch to the PC or NT.

Yea, right. Those Amiga users would rather fight than switch! ;)

>However, Newtek is going from being the highest end program on the Amiga
>platform to a relatively mid-power program on the PC. Advantages are that
>it runs on regular Win95, which is a lot cheaper to get into than a 64
>meg NT machine, and it's fairly flexible in accepting objects from other
>programs.

To sell a $700-995 animation package to Win95 users will be tough with
choices like Extreme 3D, trueSpace2, etc. Any serious 3D user is going
to have 32-64MB and would be better off running Windows NT over Win95.

NewTek has a marketing problem. Selling a package that can compete
with MAX and Softimage on NT but pricing on the low end that gives the
impression to some people that it isn't professional.

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From: Gwynne Reddick <[e-mail]>
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In article <4kmg6d$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes
>
>
>       To achieve the save effect in Photoshop, wouldn't it be possible to
>create
>some sort of batch script?  Maybe a simple mouse recorder thing, although that
>would
>lack the query aspects of a true script language.  (Are there any script capable
>i-p/paint packages available for the lame-o PC?  Winimages?)

Just got the Winimages4 up/crossgrade to win95 and I can't say i'm
overly chuffed with it - still can't load in more than 150 frames into
the timeline in one go, operators disappear from the timeline while
you're setting their trends, timelines don't save properly... I could go
on. Oh, and there's a fucking huge memory problem with it - it doesn't
appear to drop previously used frames. I've sat here and watched my
memory usage rise by over a meg a frame, it doesn't take to long before
you've got no paging file space left.

WRT the current thread, KPT 3.0 has a filter to produce seamless maps.

Gwynne


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From: [e-mail] (Mel Matsuoka)
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On Thu, 11 Apr 1996 23:26:22 -0500, Shadowbird
<[e-mail]> wrote:

>OK, so I've downloaded gazillions of neat objects and textures and
cool
>stuff off the 'net, and now they're sitting on my IBM PC and my
school A/V
>lab's Mac in nice tidy LHA archives.
>
>I'm running LW 3.x on a Toaster 4000, and Amiga 2000.
>
>What do I do now?  How do I get those files ported over?  FTP
addresses?
>WWW pages where I can find decent emulators, or let Amigas read
Mac/PC
>disks or vice versa?

Easy...just use your PC to copy the objects onto 720k formatted
(Double Density...NOT High Density) floppy disks. Or use the
Macintosh "PC Exchange" extension to do the same. If you are running
Amiga OS 2.0 or up, you should be able to read the floppies in your
amiga drive using the builtin Amiga util "CrossDOS". But again, you
can only read the older Double Density floppydisks (which
unfortunately are very hard to find nowadays).

One problem which I am certain you will come across is not being
able to fit all of a certain object, image or whatnot onto one
floppy. In this case, you must "split" the archives onto multiple
floppies. If you own Art Department Professional for your amiga,
you're all set! ADPro comes with utilities for the Amiga/PC/Mac which
enables you to split large files on a PC or Mac and them put them
back together on the Amiga. The programs are called "splitz" and
"joinz"

If you dont have ADpro, you can still use any number of PD/Shareware
file splitting utilities avilable on the net.

I hope this helps!

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Editor/Digital Media Specialist
Hawaiian Image Video Productions
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From: [e-mail](Alan Chan )
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.animation,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave,comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio
Subject: Re: MAX or Lightwave? How about some MAX here folks.
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In <4knfuq$[e-mail]> [e-mail](William
Teegarden) writes:
>
>LightWave is used by film and TV professionals because the software is
>easy to use, straightforwardly laid out, generates high quality
>imagery, and is for the most part quite inexpensive.
  ^^^^^^

This is the key. No matter how much you debate over who has what
features in what program, it all comes down to the fact that
Lightwave's render engine generates more realistic renders. And _that_
is why I use Lightwave.

AC


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Ace Miles <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Charles Ng wrote:
>>
>> I still can't get it. I have a lws file with surfaces named. I loaded images from the image panel and assign them
>> onto the surface thru surface panel. I save the lws, and guess what, LW simply doesn't assign any images onto the
>> surfaces, in fact, it simply forget or doesn't know that it has to LOAD the image (from scene panel, the image
>> count is zero). How come??
>>
>> I tried saving the surfaces as srf files, but still, it wouldn't work. Why???
>>
>> Please help guys!
>>
>> LonerSam

It sounds like the only thing you haven't done is resave your objects.
LW saves the textures and surface settings with the object file.

   3D Wayne


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From: [e-mail] (Todd LeMoine)
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I was wondering if anyone could tell me how to create the "logo
emitting streaks of light effect".. where basically you have the logo
with what would look like an extremely bright spotlight coming from
behind it in a smokey room... but I don't want just the spotlight cone
in a smokey room look.. I'm trying to get the bright streaks of light
to come out from behind and through the holes in the logo.. I think
you have probably all seen the effect I am trying to describe.. I just
can't manage to get the streaks of light to appear as they should..
hopefully this makes some sense.. any help is greatly appreciated.

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From: [e-mail](Brenden Mecleary )
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Subject: Re: Star field?
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In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Mark
Dunakin) writes:
>
>Say does anyone know how you make that star field that is shaped like
>a big ball. I can make a ball of dots that is solid, but I don't see
>how they made a ball of dots that is hollow.........If some one knows
>how this was done I'd appreciate knowing what the scoop is. And if I
>figure it out I'll tell about
>it..........md

1) Make a single point, then make that into a polygon. (a particle)

2) Clone the particle to the desired # of stars for the entire panorama

3) Run the jitter function on the particles (which should still LOOK
like one)

4) Run the spherize macro on the scattered particles

5) Surface and enjoy!

I realize that was a bit vague.  If you need a more detailed
description, let me know...

                                              Brenden Mecleary
                                              [e-mail]


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>   [e-mail] writes:
>  On 4/12/96 10:20AM, in message <4km3db$[e-mail]>, InstntGuts
>  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>  > Ron Thornton (Foundation Imaging, Babylon 5) has used 3DS instead of LW
>  > for several projects, including "Dan Dare," and was, at one point between
>  > the B5 pilot and the start of the series, , considering switching from LW
>  > to 3DS.
>  >
>
>  This is not true.
>
>  --
>                        -=Fred=-

    I too have trouble believing that one.  Where are these anecdotes coming
from?

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>   Nate Hayes <[e-mail]> writes:
>  trueSpace 2.0 currently has rather powerful deformation feature set (for $500) and is a great
>  modeler with true 3D booleans.

    Last time I checked TS, it left the boolean "subtract" object in the object (!).
Forever.  While this may have some application, it seemed rather strange to me. Is
this still true?


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Date: 14 Apr 1996 07:29:23 GMT
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>   [e-mail](Joe Schrengohst ) writes:
>  In <[e-mail]> LonerSam <[e-mail]>
>  writes:
>  >
>  >Hi all,
>  >
>  >I wonder where and how to change the output
>  >resoultion of LW from 75dpi to something bigger
>  >number for printing purpose rather than video
>  >purpose.
>  >
>  >If 75dpi is the only res. I can choose from, no
>  >wonder why it is suitable for broadcasting purpose,
>  >only.

    75dpi is printer bullshit.  Who cares?  Make it the pixel size you
want and render it.  Change the dpi in Photoshop.  Has no real effect.

    Read a book.

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Subject: Re: Seemless Textures (WAS Re: Is it true?)
Date: 14 Apr 1996 07:31:23 GMT
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>   [e-mail] (Walter (Jay) Turberville (III)) writes:

>  >        Note: this would be dead easy on the Amiga and ADPro.

>  I think the problem is that retouching the "seams" requires some judgement or
>  some really clever algorithm.  Depending on the nature of the texture, it
>  doesn't necessarily take that long.

    The feature the poster requested doesn't retouch the seams either: it's
just a mirror.  The seams are probably still gonna be visible, but they will
MATCH.

>
>  Walter (Jay) Turberville         |[e-mail]  [e-mail]

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From: Hammed Malik <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
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Paul Mccoy wrote:

> Hi Derek,
>
> Interesting that you should ask about this now. I did the very thing
> you're talking about with the phonepak and arexx about 3 years ago. It
> works! Except for the part about the speech. Apparently there's no way
> to access the narrator or speech device from the ppak.

You're right, Paul...I didn't think about that.  Derek, an alternative
might be to prerecord numbers and your rexx script could lace them together
to tell you what frame is being rendered.  Sorta like what a lot of
answering services do to tell the time.  Most web access counters do the
same thing except they use images instead of audio.

> a Ppak board for it do you any good. Great little device that one.
> It's full power was never realized. Too late now I guess.

One of the most useful pieces of hardware made for the Amiga IMHO.

> PS Hi to Hammed Malik, who I see is in this thread.

Hello Paul!  Nice to see familiar people here.

> Regards, Paul McCoyHammed Malik


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You are correct.......

I reacted without reading through all of the posts. I've been gettin a
lot of "This Article in now expired" messages while trying to rad
previous posts to a thread.

My face is red............. =-P



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Jeff Jasper wrote:

> If you want to see realistic stuff done with 3DS check out Casino, where
> they used 3DS with the Lightscape renderer. Now that 3DS is being
> marketed by a mutimedia company, Kenetix, you will probably see more of
> 3DS being hyped up.

What exactly was done with Studio in the shot you're talking about?  What
makes the shot remarkable was the extremely realistic lighting and Studio
wasn't responsible for that.

Hammed


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> This is the key. No matter how much you debate over who has what
> features in what program, it all comes down to the fact that
> Lightwave's render engine generates more realistic renders. And _that_
> is why I use Lightwave.

This never ceases to amaze me that people still post this. My reply
is simply check out David Stinnett's whale animation on the 3DS demo
tape or any of Jose Maria de Espona's work. If you don't like 3DS's
standard renderer you can always plug in another.

Jeff

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> There is no Amblin Imaging any more, I was there for the entire life of the
> company and we didn't have it.  I'm at DD now and we don't have it (the New
> Media division has it but that's not movies and TV).
>
> What has Blurr done?

They just finished Hellraiser:Bloodline as well as several commercials, they
weren't specific as to which ones. They are starting on several feature films,
and working on getting a TV series. Their software of choice is 3D Studio MAX.

Jeff

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> LucasArts uses DeluxePaint which is a cheap little 2D program (about $100).
> They've used it on the best-selling Dark Forces game.  So there.  Besides, if
> the Sega folks are fooled by the Alias hype that's their misfortune.

I would like to see Donkey Kong Country, Myst, or 7th Guest be done with Deluxe
paint, it would never happen.I'm talking games with real 3D scenes and animation
anyway, not another DOOM wanna be.

> I didn't say they were "bad" in the animation department, I just said that
> those types of effects don't really show off the photoreal qualities of a
> program because they are supposed to look computer generated.  So, you see, I'm
> not saying they failed, I'm saying that mentioning those films as examples of
> what 3DS is capable of is pointless.  I could have done the same with just
> about any program.

Sure it did. No other movie has used that much animation footage done off of a
PC. The depth of the cyberspace scenes was amazing, larger than most city scapes.
And it all blended well with the stuff done with Alias. When I see the cyberspace
redone, at the same quality, with Truespace or Imagine I'll believe it. In
Virtuosity and Lightspeed you got to see hoe well 3DS matches animation to live
footage. In Casino you got to see that 3DS can use more than the standard renderer
and create scenery so realistic that you can't tell it apart from the real stuff.
I haven't scene Hellraiser yet, but the animation looks like typical Lightwave
sci-fi stuff, except it done with 3DS.

> Yes, and I'm still waiting to see 3DS used for something that is considered the
> best for these times.

You'll probably be waiting just as long for the same thing for Lightwave. All the
crtically aclaimed stuff seems to be done with in-house tools and Alias, Wavefront,
or Softimage.

> Alias/Wavefront, and SoftImage aren't used more because of price/performance
> and time problems.  Movies have a lot more time and money, hence the heavy use
> of these packages.  Lightwave is making significant inroads now.  3DS/Max
> isn't; I know it hasn't been officially released yet, but then neither has LW 5
> and LW is still way on top as far as its use in effects.  When 3DS 4 came out,
> people said the same things:  "3DS will rule"  3DS 4 spells the end of LW" "3DS
> will be used in big Hollywood films doing cutting edge effects now" "3DS is way
> better than LW", etc.  Well, none of that came to pass did it?  If it was so
> great back then, what happened?  Where are the movies?  Where are the TV shows?
>  Why is everyone here saying that Max is so much better than LW now when it was
> supposed to be better way back when it was 3DS 4?  What that means is that you
> were wrong then.  It remains to be seen who will be wrong this time, but my
> money is on Max being wrong.

Your going to see Softimage being used a lot more for low end stuff now that it
has gone NT. So far I only know of one movie that has used Lightwave and that is
the face peel scene. 3DS/MAX will be used by Blur for their upcoming feature
animations. Lightwave has always been king of the sci-fi TV series and seems to
be breaking into commercial success too with the M&M commercials, but I have not
seen much in the way of high budget feature film work being done with it. If you
want to see the list of TV shows and movies done with 3DS go back in the thread,
it has been posted about 3 times now, you even replied to it before. As much as
I have heard people praising MAX I don't think it can go wrong. You have to
remember there are around 70,000 (Autodesk's numbers) 3DS users who will be
upgradeing to MAX. I'm sure at least 2/3 of those are professional users who will
continue their production with 3DS.

Jeff

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Subject: Re: Whoa! LW 5.0?!
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Michael B. Comet wrote:
>
> In a previous article [e-mail] (Stranahan) said:
>
> > defensive...the porting was a HUGE amount of work, so Allen and Stuart did
> > not get in as many features as we've gotten used to from them. Given the
> > time they have had between ports, 5.0 should take care of a lot of
> > people's wish lists.....
>
>         It will be interesting to see what features are added and
> how they keep up with the competition.
>
>         BTW does anyone know what the upgrade price will be like
> from 4.0?  I thought I read a post someone made about $500 or something.
> That seems a bit much as the software itself is nearly that price.
> How much were upgrades in the past?
>
> mbc
>
> --
> | Michael B. Comet - [e-mail]
> | http://inswww.ins.cwru.edu/php/comet/
> | LW FAQ, 3D Graphics & Animation and more!

This is not official, of course, but I heard NewTek plans to up the price of LW to about 1500$ US and it would cost about
500$ to upgrade. I guess they got tired of people seing LightWave as as a poor man's 3DS.

Jean-Eric



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Stranahan wrote:
>
> There's a real valid concern about the future of LightWave - although it
> only has a LITTLE to do with the quality of the program.  The program is
> GREAT, overall.....however the Amiga was also great overall, too. There
> are lots of great products that fail in the marketplace. Here are a short
> list of problems - and these are all things we know BEFORE seeing LW 5.0.
> In fact, 5.0 is almost irrellevant to these issues...
>
> 1) Marketing - been talked about plenty. My position is pretty clear,
> 'nuff said, although marketing is MUCH more than just ads and 'feel good'
> parties.
>
> 2) Sales - the dealer base is in shambles. NewTek lost a ton of dealers,
> because the dealers felt lied to or went out of business. Simply put, it's
> hard to buy LightWave - except through mail order.
>
> 3) Competition - SoftImage and MAX are both professional products - in
> some ways better, in some ways worse, but roughly comparable to LW - with
> HUGE companies behind them. Autodesk is the fourth largest software
> company in the world. Fourth. Microsoft is...well, fricking Microsoft.
> These companies have plenty of dollar resources, huge staffs, and the
> desire to WIN - whereas NewTek is having trouble paying their bills (and
> their programmers in some cases), has around 50 employees, and is managed
> by people who don't get the products very well. (Upper management, mainly,
> but they are the people who make the decisions in some of these areas.)
>
> 4) Third party - there are no big third party developers for LW, expect
> perhaps Xaos. Other big companies have said that they will not support LW,
> because it's user base is still fairly small (a few thousand.) and because
> they felt like NewTek was a lot of talk and no action. Smaller companies
> are producing some great products, yet going broke doing it because the
> market is small and the costs are high.
>
> There's more, and anything here is open to debate; still, these are REAL
> issues. The people at NewTek now are the same people who helped cause
> these problems, and I don't see much evidence they can fix 'em.  At best,
> NewTek and LightWave will stay in there as the #3 product, as SoftImage
> and MAX duke it out for the #1 slot. I take no pleasure in any of this,
> folks, but tell me how NewTek is going to stop the SI/MAX juggernaut??
>
> _____________________________________________
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> Home Page URL - http://users.aol.com/stranahan/main.htm
>
> A NEW tape/CD-ROM from the Stranahan Brothers is coming SOON!
> ACCESS DENIED : THE CRAFT OF VISUAL EFFECTS FILMMAKING
>
> Access DeniedURL - http://users.aol.com/stranahan/access.htm

I would like someone from NewTek to officialize this. But I heard that if you took into account all the Video Toaster solds
(about 40,000 units), all the stand-alone copies of LW on the Amiga plus the new PC-base, there are in all around 90,000 to
100,000 LW users world-wide. If that is true, LW has a user-base as wide as 3DS.

These numbers may be a lot lower, but even at about 25,000, that would be an impressive figure. I'm sure NewTek could release
those figures. It would surelly raise some eyebrowses. Perhaps bring more users and developpers to the product.

Jean-Eric



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> What exactly was done with Studio in the shot you're talking about?  What
> makes the shot remarkable was the extremely realistic lighting and Studio
> wasn't responsible for that.

God I wish lighting was everything, unfortunatly there usually requires modeling,
texture mapping, animation, and compositing too. Lightscape is a very 3DS friendly
package, consider it a radiosity rendering "plug-in" for 3DS if you will.

Jeff

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In <4kohvf$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
>In <4kobvm$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
>>IMHO, as someone who has to support OS/2 for a living,
>>IT BLOWS!
>>  It is the most useless piece of garbage I've ever seen.
not true
>>
>>Here are some truths to hold against the marketing scams that IBM has
>>touted OS/2 with:
>>
>>(1) "OS/2 is more stable than ________"
>>      Bullshit. I see it crash applications 5 or 10 times a day. And,

bullshit if you have installed the system correct, it wont crash ever

>>when Windows locks up an application, it at least goes ahead and does
>>it. OS/2 sits there with the entire system hung up for 5 minutes (no

bullshit, you can close every appl that doesnt works

>>lie) while it tries depsperately to recover the application. In the
>>meantime, you can't do anything but move the mouse around. Usually,
>>OS/2 CAN'T recover, and you end up having to reboot your system (which
>>in itself takes forever).
>>(2) "OS/2 is faster than __________"
>>     Not. I have never seen another OS thrash the living hell out of a
>>hard disk as badly as OS/2 does. A good comparison would be running
>>Photoshop on a 486 w/ 12MB of RAM and editing a 1024x768x24bit
>>picture. But, OS/2 acts like that on a Pentium 90 w/ 40MB of RAM...

also bullshit

>>(3) "OS/2 uses less memory than ________"
>>     See #2. OS/2 on a Pentium 90 w/ 8MB of RAM runs slower than it

I use os/2 with 16 mb of ram and it works perfect

>>does on a 386 with 16MB of RAM.
>>(4) "You can still use DOS and Windows applications"
>>     If all you run is DOS and Windows apps anyway, then why bother
>>having OS/2?? Its just unnecessary overhead that takes up valuable

because, you dumbshit, there also exist OS/2 app's

>>system resources (RAM, disk space, etc).
>>  Also, (5) OS/2 does not support Win95/NT applications AT ALL, (6)

You can say it that way: when OS/2 came out, win95 didn't exist ...
and win95 doesn't have OS/2 support...

>>has poor support for Win32s, (7) has next to no driver support

bullshit, you can find lots of drivers at the hobbes site

>>(scanners, sound cards, digitizers, tablets, etc.) and (8) hardly any
>>native applications. And then there's my favorite: if the OS2.INI or

bullshit, when they get corrupted, you can run a prog 'makeini' to repair the
ini-files :
 'makeini os2.ini ini.rc'         -> for os2.ini
 'makeini os2sys.ini inisys.rc'  -> for os2sys.ini

>>OS2SYS.INI file gets corrupted, YOU HAVE HOSED YOUR ENTIRE SYSTEM AND
>>MUST REINSTALL OS/2 AND EVERY DAMN APPLICATION YOU HAVE. These files
>>are not user-editable, and trying to use backups rarely works.
>>
>>If this convinces anyone to NOT waste their valuable money and time on
>>this piece of steaming shit, then I will sleep much better tonight.
>>
>>
>>
>>The Venerable Arch-Mage Meniscus
>>
OS/2 Warp is the best os (together with unix/linux/.... but not win95) there is...

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From: [e-mail] (Stranahan)
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Those numbers are not even close....if you count 4.0 LW users, it's off
by....ohh....about 96,000 or so....give or take...


_____________________________________________
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Hey, the following message posted by someone seems to prefer OS/2 to
Win95 because his login name is @ibm.net.....

That's why his opinion tend to favor OS/2

Just an interesting observation...

                            ....... Dave




On 14 Apr 1996 [e-mail] wrote:

> In <4kohvf$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
> >In <4kobvm$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
> >>IMHO, as someone who has to support OS/2 for a living,
> >>IT BLOWS!
> >>  It is the most useless piece of garbage I've ever seen.
> not true
> >>
> >>Here are some truths to hold against the marketing scams that IBM has
> >>touted OS/2 with:
> >>
> >>(1) "OS/2 is more stable than ________"
> >>      Bullshit. I see it crash applications 5 or 10 times a day. And,
>
> bullshit if you have installed the system correct, it wont crash ever
>
> >>when Windows locks up an application, it at least goes ahead and does
> >>it. OS/2 sits there with the entire system hung up for 5 minutes (no
>
> bullshit, you can close every appl that doesnt works
>
> >>lie) while it tries depsperately to recover the application. In the
> >>meantime, you can't do anything but move the mouse around. Usually,
> >>OS/2 CAN'T recover, and you end up having to reboot your system (which
> >>in itself takes forever).
> >>(2) "OS/2 is faster than __________"
> >>     Not. I have never seen another OS thrash the living hell out of a
> >>hard disk as badly as OS/2 does. A good comparison would be running
> >>Photoshop on a 486 w/ 12MB of RAM and editing a 1024x768x24bit
> >>picture. But, OS/2 acts like that on a Pentium 90 w/ 40MB of RAM...
>
> also bullshit
>
> >>(3) "OS/2 uses less memory than ________"
> >>     See #2. OS/2 on a Pentium 90 w/ 8MB of RAM runs slower than it
>
> I use os/2 with 16 mb of ram and it works perfect
>
> >>does on a 386 with 16MB of RAM.
> >>(4) "You can still use DOS and Windows applications"
> >>     If all you run is DOS and Windows apps anyway, then why bother
> >>having OS/2?? Its just unnecessary overhead that takes up valuable
>
> because, you dumbshit, there also exist OS/2 app's
>
> >>system resources (RAM, disk space, etc).
> >>  Also, (5) OS/2 does not support Win95/NT applications AT ALL, (6)
>
> You can say it that way: when OS/2 came out, win95 didn't exist ...
> and win95 doesn't have OS/2 support...
>
> >>has poor support for Win32s, (7) has next to no driver support
>
> bullshit, you can find lots of drivers at the hobbes site
>
> >>(scanners, sound cards, digitizers, tablets, etc.) and (8) hardly any
> >>native applications. And then there's my favorite: if the OS2.INI or
>
> bullshit, when they get corrupted, you can run a prog 'makeini' to repair the
> ini-files :
>  'makeini os2.ini ini.rc'         -> for os2.ini
>  'makeini os2sys.ini inisys.rc'  -> for os2sys.ini
>
> >>OS2SYS.INI file gets corrupted, YOU HAVE HOSED YOUR ENTIRE SYSTEM AND
> >>MUST REINSTALL OS/2 AND EVERY DAMN APPLICATION YOU HAVE. These files
> >>are not user-editable, and trying to use backups rarely works.
> >>
> >>If this convinces anyone to NOT waste their valuable money and time on
> >>this piece of steaming shit, then I will sleep much better tonight.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>The Venerable Arch-Mage Meniscus
> >>
> OS/2 Warp is the best os (together with unix/linux/.... but not win95) there is...
>
>

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In article <4kq03m$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (PMshark) wrote:
>AAAAAAAAAAAARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!
>PJ

Come on in Joseph Heller, the water's nice and warm.

(Apologies to those to whom this quote is too obscure:-)


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My LW40c just arrived about 3 days ago and I can't find
out where to playback any animations that I render and save?

Am I missing something or is it a little LW joke.


                Mike D.

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Joe Schrengohst wrote:
>
> In <4kj8nk$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Stranahan)
> writes:
> >
> >Hey - could someone please mail me a dongle? And a DEC Alpha or 2?
> >
> >
> >_____________________________________________
> >Lee Stranahan
> >Home Page URL - http://users.aol.com/stranahan/main.htm
>
> Yeah, Send me some too. Could you throw in a Perception card, 256 megs
> RAM, 21" monitor, and a Recordable CD drive!
>
> JS

Hey ... I need a faster render...Could someone Email me a Raptor?

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Is anyone out there using NT with more than 1 CPU... If so Where
can I get the uptomp.exe file to upgrade my NT?

                Mike D.

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On 13 Apr 1996, Alan Chan wrote:


> This is the key. No matter how much you debate over who has what
> features in what program, it all comes down to the fact that
> Lightwave's render engine generates more realistic renders. And _that_
> is why I use Lightwave.

I have heard this statement many times.  I have yet to hear "how".

I will certainly give the edge to LW's selective raytracer for geometries
that need a raytracer.  But for scanline rendering vs scanline rendering,
sans atmospheric effects, how and why is LW's output better than 3DS'?


  Abraham K. Lewis
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Subject: Re: WIN95 better than OS/2 PLEASE!!!!
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In <Pine.SOL.3.90.960414071743.20370A-100000@eddie>, "David - A Smiling Boy ;>" <[e-mail]> writes:
>
>Hey, the following message posted by someone seems to prefer OS/2 to
>Win95 because his login name is @ibm.net.....
>
>That's why his opinion tend to favor OS/2
>
>Just an interesting observation...
it's just to say, but I have nothing to to with IBM, it's just my provider+
the maker of my favorite operating system OS/2


>
>                            ....... Dave
>
>
>
>
>On 14 Apr 1996 [e-mail] wrote:
>
>> In <4kohvf$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
>> >In <4kobvm$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
>> >>IMHO, as someone who has to support OS/2 for a living,
>> >>IT BLOWS!
>> >>  It is the most useless piece of garbage I've ever seen.
>> not true
>> >>
>> >>Here are some truths to hold against the marketing scams that IBM has
>> >>touted OS/2 with:
>> >>
>> >>(1) "OS/2 is more stable than ________"
>> >>      Bullshit. I see it crash applications 5 or 10 times a day. And,
>>
>> bullshit if you have installed the system correct, it wont crash ever
>>
>> >>when Windows locks up an application, it at least goes ahead and does
>> >>it. OS/2 sits there with the entire system hung up for 5 minutes (no
>>
>> bullshit, you can close every appl that doesnt works
>>
>> >>lie) while it tries depsperately to recover the application. In the
>> >>meantime, you can't do anything but move the mouse around. Usually,
>> >>OS/2 CAN'T recover, and you end up having to reboot your system (which
>> >>in itself takes forever).
>> >>(2) "OS/2 is faster than __________"
>> >>     Not. I have never seen another OS thrash the living hell out of a
>> >>hard disk as badly as OS/2 does. A good comparison would be running
>> >>Photoshop on a 486 w/ 12MB of RAM and editing a 1024x768x24bit
>> >>picture. But, OS/2 acts like that on a Pentium 90 w/ 40MB of RAM...
>>
>> also bullshit
>>
>> >>(3) "OS/2 uses less memory than ________"
>> >>     See #2. OS/2 on a Pentium 90 w/ 8MB of RAM runs slower than it
>>
>> I use os/2 with 16 mb of ram and it works perfect
>>
>> >>does on a 386 with 16MB of RAM.
>> >>(4) "You can still use DOS and Windows applications"
>> >>     If all you run is DOS and Windows apps anyway, then why bother
>> >>having OS/2?? Its just unnecessary overhead that takes up valuable
>>
>> because, you dumbshit, there also exist OS/2 app's
>>
>> >>system resources (RAM, disk space, etc).
>> >>  Also, (5) OS/2 does not support Win95/NT applications AT ALL, (6)
>>
>> You can say it that way: when OS/2 came out, win95 didn't exist ...
>> and win95 doesn't have OS/2 support...
>>
>> >>has poor support for Win32s, (7) has next to no driver support
>>
>> bullshit, you can find lots of drivers at the hobbes site
>>
>> >>(scanners, sound cards, digitizers, tablets, etc.) and (8) hardly any
>> >>native applications. And then there's my favorite: if the OS2.INI or
>>
>> bullshit, when they get corrupted, you can run a prog 'makeini' to repair the
>> ini-files :
>>  'makeini os2.ini ini.rc'         -> for os2.ini
>>  'makeini os2sys.ini inisys.rc'  -> for os2sys.ini
>>
>> >>OS2SYS.INI file gets corrupted, YOU HAVE HOSED YOUR ENTIRE SYSTEM AND
>> >>MUST REINSTALL OS/2 AND EVERY DAMN APPLICATION YOU HAVE. These files
>> >>are not user-editable, and trying to use backups rarely works.
>> >>
>> >>If this convinces anyone to NOT waste their valuable money and time on
>> >>this piece of steaming shit, then I will sleep much better tonight.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>The Venerable Arch-Mage Meniscus
>> >>
>> OS/2 Warp is the best os (together with unix/linux/.... but not win95) there is...
>>
>>


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> Brad,
>
> I know what you are going through because I had to go through basically
> the same thing. I had Win 3.1 and also had Win NT so I decided to try
> Win NT. It was stable as I have 32 megs but when running lightwave I

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1) NT will render faster than Win3.1 every time in a 32 meg system.
2) To remove the NT boot loader just type SYS c: after booting from a dos
floppy.
You don't have to reformat anything.

Glyn Williams

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    <Fine, as long as we don't have to hear about it HERE!  >8^)>

Agreed; let's kill these multi-thread postings. I can understand people
wanting comparisons between programs, before they make a large investment,
but starting these "X is better than Y" threads just p*sses off both
camps, and that's no fun.

If people want comparisons, they should send separate postings asking for
specific info on the particular software, and then INSIST that people
respond with private email.

-- Jon

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[e-mail] (Dan Zimmerman) wrote:

>In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Marlon Beltz) writes:
>>From: [e-mail] (Marlon Beltz)
>>Subject: Re: Best Setup for PVR?
>>Date: Tue, 02 Apr 1996 16:30:53 GMT

>>>

>>I'm using Speed Razor on an Alpha and I've found at least 5 major
>>bugs, and I get crashs all over the place.  I have not had a chance
>>yet to evaluate Premiere 4.2 for NT but I loved Premiere 4.0a.  Never
>>had any problems.

>Does anybody work with Premiere 4.2 for NT? Is it out yet?

>Dan Zimmerman


Where I work we beta tested several editing programs for
perception/NT, including.  My preference was for a program called
Video Action NT.  I think it has a superior interface, that's more
editer friendly.  And the interface has a better lay out, a  much
simpler cleaner design.


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Subject: Re: WIN95 better than OS/2 PLEASE!!!!
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  Before I proceed to humiliate you in fron of the entire public, let
me warn you that my job is to install and maintain OS/2 and Network
Software on internal machines. Are you familiar with PC3270?
Communications Manager? LAN Requester 3.0 and 4.0? TCP/IP 2.0 and 3.0?
MPTS 1.0 and 2.0? All in a day's work for me...
  And go ahead and take 3 guesses who I work for...   ;)

[e-mail] wrote:

>In <4kohvf$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
>>In <4kobvm$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
>>>IMHO, as someone who has to support OS/2 for a living,
>>>IT BLOWS!
>>>  It is the most useless piece of garbage I've ever seen.
>not true
>>>
>>>Here are some truths to hold against the marketing scams that IBM has
>>>touted OS/2 with:
>>>
>>>(1) "OS/2 is more stable than ________"
>>>      Bullshit. I see it crash applications 5 or 10 times a day. And,

>bullshit if you have installed the system correct, it wont crash ever
 Could you please tell me, since I install OS/2 every day, what it
means to install it "correctly"? Perhaps you refer to having to obtain
updated video drivers, audio drivers, and CSD's (we're up to Service
Pack #17 now) from BBS's and the like in order for your machine to
behave halfway consistently...
>>>when Windows locks up an application, it at least goes ahead and does
>>>it. OS/2 sits there with the entire system hung up for 5 minutes (no

>bullshit, you can close every appl that doesnt works
As I said, in most cases you can, if you don't mind waiting 5 minutes
to do so... it gets rather irritating to not be able to do *anything*
except wait for "This application is not responding to system
requests. Press ENTER to end it." Then, you press enter, and it hangs
again, and then gives you the same error message again. Maybe after 4
or 5 times it will actually go away. If not, you have to reboot.
>>>lie) while it tries depsperately to recover the application. In the
>>>meantime, you can't do anything but move the mouse around. Usually,
>>>OS/2 CAN'T recover, and you end up having to reboot your system (which
>>>in itself takes forever).
>>>(2) "OS/2 is faster than __________"
>>>     Not. I have never seen another OS thrash the living hell out of a
>>>hard disk as badly as OS/2 does. A good comparison would be running
>>>Photoshop on a 486 w/ 12MB of RAM and editing a 1024x768x24bit
>>>picture. But, OS/2 acts like that on a Pentium 90 w/ 40MB of RAM...

>also bullshit
And *your* evidence is...? Sorry, most people don't regard saying
"bullshit" as an effective means of debate...
>>>(3) "OS/2 uses less memory than ________"
>>>     See #2. OS/2 on a Pentium 90 w/ 8MB of RAM runs slower than it

>I use os/2 with 16 mb of ram and it works perfect
Congratulations.
>>>does on a 386 with 16MB of RAM.
>>>(4) "You can still use DOS and Windows applications"
>>>     If all you run is DOS and Windows apps anyway, then why bother
>>>having OS/2?? Its just unnecessary overhead that takes up valuable

>because, you dumbshit, there also exist OS/2 app's
OK, name 5 native OS/2 productivity applications that the average
person would want to use (other than SmartSute, which is less stable
than the Windows version, and the saved documents are not 100%
compatible w/ their Windows counterparts. Makes it really convenient
when you have to give your work to someone who has the Windows
version).
>>>system resources (RAM, disk space, etc).
>>>  Also, (5) OS/2 does not support Win95/NT applications AT ALL, (6)

>You can say it that way: when OS/2 came out, win95 didn't exist ...
>and win95 doesn't have OS/2 support...
Why would Win95 bother to have OS/2 support? As for Win95 support,
that is true, but the point is, most average people want something
that will run Win95 apps. Merlin is supposed to do this, though. We'll
see what happens.
>>>has poor support for Win32s, (7) has next to no driver support

>bullshit, you can find lots of drivers at the hobbes site
How many "average users" know that? It seems rather inconvenient to
have to search the Web and BBS's and FTP sites for a driver every time
you buy a piece of hardware.
>>>(scanners, sound cards, digitizers, tablets, etc.) and (8) hardly any
>>>native applications. And then there's my favorite: if the OS2.INI or

>bullshit, when they get corrupted, you can run a prog 'makeini' to repair the
>ini-files :
> 'makeini os2.ini ini.rc'         -> for os2.ini
> 'makeini os2sys.ini inisys.rc'  -> for os2sys.ini
 Oh, but of course! Oops! I forgot, when you use MAKEINI it restores
your ORIGINAL desktop! All of your application icons are gone! Aww.
Looks like you get to reload your system after all. Hope you have
about 6-8 hours to kill...
>>>OS2SYS.INI file gets corrupted, YOU HAVE HOSED YOUR ENTIRE SYSTEM AND
>>>MUST REINSTALL OS/2 AND EVERY DAMN APPLICATION YOU HAVE. These files
>>>are not user-editable, and trying to use backups rarely works.
>>>
>>>If this convinces anyone to NOT waste their valuable money and time on
>>>this piece of steaming shit, then I will sleep much better tonight.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>The Venerable Arch-Mage Meniscus
>>>
>OS/2 Warp is the best os (together with unix/linux/.... but not win95) there is...
  I am not trying to promote Win95. I think Win95 leaves alot to be
desired, as well. All I am trying to do is shed some truth on this
whole OS/2 thing. Different operating systems are better at different
purposes. If you have to do alot of networking, OS/2 or Unix is more
reliable than Win95 (can't say about NT, haven't used it). But for the
average person at home or the person who wants to do graphics
applications (after all, this is the Photoshop newsgroup), OS/2 is
just too "high maintenance". It may be fine for people who love to
tweak and play around with their operating system and optimize and
reconfigure every day, but some of us think that operating systems
should be like the government- totally transparent. Let it do its
thing, but stay out of my way while I'm trying to do mine. OS/2
doesn't do that. You spend more time fighting the OS than you do
running your applications.
  To IBM's credit, they have written some excellent networking
software. And, I have been a loyal Lotus fan for years. But, I think
it's time that they admit defeat with this OS/2 flop and redirect
their resources into something more worthwhile.



The Venerable Arch-Mage Meniscus


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In article <4kkmjp$[e-mail]>, Keith Christopher <keithc@welchlink
.welch.jhu.edu> writes
>Well it's been up for two months now and the stats are pretty
>astounding ! There have been 45,000 ftp accesses (different) and 15,000
>www accesses (probably due to lack of time to update the pages) This
>is GREAT ! the new uploads have been on the slow side but this is still
>good news. So if you have an object or a cool framestore you want to show
>off upload it !
>
>
>Thanks for the support !
>
>
>Keith Christopher
>tomahawk.grandi.com : the one shop LW stop on the internet !
>--
>[e-mail]
>
>

Isn't that a type of bike from the late 70's??

--
Bob Smith

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From: [e-mail] (Rikard Bosnjakovic)
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Where the h*ck can I find plugins for saving animations directly to AVI,
instead of saving them as TGA's and join to AVI?


Rikard Bosnjakovic - N3 Power! ([e-mail])

.. It's been Monday aaaaaaaaallllllll week!




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From: [e-mail] (dnelson)
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I and lots of my LW friends subscribed back in june to Lightspeed, the
MONTHLY VIDEO MAGAZINE. Vol #6 should have shipped in January, what gives???
Is vol. 6 going to be labeled, Feb.-March-April-May issue?
I don't want my money back. I just want my monthly video magazine.

Don




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From: Jean-Eric Hénault <[e-mail]>
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To: Mark Dunakin <[e-mail]>

Mark Dunakin wrote:
>
> On Tue  9-Apr-1996  3:57a, Sam Marrocco wrote:
> SM> I've pinned objects to paths in layout before, but is it possible to
> SM> "automatically" snake an object along a motion path, thereby bending to
> SM> object to the path as it moves along it?
> -----------------
> I think that first:
>         you'd need to string some bones cilded to the next and so on.
>         then just have each one use the same path, and since each one would be
>        placed in a slightly different position along the path, then it would
>         make sence to me that it would allow the object to freely bend along
>         with the shape of the path. That is provided that you first did a few
>         subdevides on the object in question.
> ..........md :)

Is there any easier way ???? ;-) It's expensive, but yes, get SoftImage...

Jean-Eric


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On Tue, 9 Apr 1996, Peter Hartman wrote:
Have you tried drawing out your letters and extruding (under "multiply"
menu) them in modeler?  That's what I do for all my 3D letters...
I hope this helps
Rebecca ([e-mail])

 > Hi, there
>
> I know this sounds silly but I have a tiny question:
>
> How can i create 3d-text in the modeler....???????? It seems to me i can
only create 2d-text. Is this correct?
>
> Please help me
>
> [e-mail]
>
>

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Tim Krego <[e-mail]> wrote:
: On 13 Apr 1996 10:42:02 -0700, Steph Greenberg <[e-mail]>
: wrote:
: >However, Newtek is going from being the highest end program on the Amiga
: >platform to a relatively mid-power program on the PC. Advantages are that
: >it runs on regular Win95, which is a lot cheaper to get into than a 64
: >meg NT machine, and it's fairly flexible in accepting objects from other
: >programs.

: To sell a $700-995 animation package to Win95 users will be tough with
: choices like Extreme 3D, trueSpace2, etc. Any serious 3D user is going
: to have 32-64MB and would be better off running Windows NT over Win95.

There is no comparison between Extreme 3D, Truespace and LW. In terms of
moving from dabbling stage to professional quality *animation*, LW beats
both of them. But that's why I said "mid-power". Not as buff in some ways
as MAX (which isn't officially "out" yet, but might as well be for all
the people who have it) or Softimage, it's certainly adaquate for space
effects and other non-character purposes. And some people use LW for
character work also, though only the simplest characters come out looking
really good.

When you say, "Win 95 users", you fail to understand that some would like
higher end machines, but can't afford them yet. I think you are making an
unsupported generalization. It is only recently that the price of memory
has dropped to the point where putting together a 32-64 mb workstation
doesn't cost nearly as much as the down payment on a house.

I also think if Newtek had *smart* businessmen, they'd unbundle parts of
LW that everyone who uses it loves so much, and make them MAX plugins.
That way, every sale LW loses to MAX could be a potential customer
anyway.

: NewTek has a marketing problem. Selling a package that can compete
: with MAX and Softimage on NT but pricing on the low end that gives the
: impression to some people that it isn't professional.

While this may sound true, Newtek has had that problem from the start and
found a pretty good niche. I can tell you that one of the largest
problems with hiring personnel in a large company is the cost of the
workstation that you have to add. The cost does not give me the
impression that LW isn't professional. Outdated interface, lack of
certain features which are becomming standard, stubborn fanatical
adherence to polygons in the face of a patch or NURBS world; those are
the cues that put LW a notch down from MAX and SI.

For a lot of work that is done in the CGI community, LW is more than
adaquate.

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On 4/13/96 10:25PM, in message <[e-mail]>, Tim Krego
<[e-mail]> wrote:

> NewTek has a marketing problem. Selling a package that can compete
> with MAX and Softimage on NT but pricing on the low end that gives the
> impression to some people that it isn't professional.

That's why they show the dozens of TV shows, etc. that are using it.  Certainly
Steven Spielberg saw it as a professional piece of software.  If it's good
enough for him, it's more than likely good enough for the average hobbyist or
professional.
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On 4/14/96 1:48AM, in message <[e-mail]>, Jeff Jasper
<[e-mail]> wrote:

> > There is no Amblin Imaging any more, I was there for the entire life of the
> > company and we didn't have it.  I'm at DD now and we don't have it (the New
> > Media division has it but that's not movies and TV).
> >
> > What has Blurr done?
>
> They just finished Hellraiser:Bloodline as well as several commercials, they
> weren't specific as to which ones. They are starting on several feature films,
> and working on getting a TV series. Their software of choice is 3D Studio MAX.
>
> Jeff


Haa haa haa haa haaa!!!! Please stop, my sides are hurting too much!!! Did you
SEE those effects for Hellraiser 4?  Haa haa haa oh that's rich!  But
seriously, they were *almost* as good as The Last Starfighter...  Better luck
next time.
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On 4/14/96 2:15AM, in message <[e-mail]>, Jeff Jasper
<[e-mail]> wrote:

> > LucasArts uses DeluxePaint which is a cheap little 2D program (about $100).
> > They've used it on the best-selling Dark Forces game.  So there.  Besides,
> > if the Sega folks are fooled by the Alias hype that's their misfortune.
>
> I would like to see Donkey Kong Country, Myst, or 7th Guest be done with
> Deluxe paint, it would never happen.I'm talking games with real 3D scenes and
> animation anyway, not another DOOM wanna be.

I didn't say they could be done with a 2D program.  They certainly could be
done with just about ANY 3D program though.  Remember, while DK was done in
Alias, Myst was Strata for crying out loud.  Of course, Myst 2 is being done
with Alias/Wavefront (and they're hiring right now).

> > I didn't say they were "bad" in the animation department, I just said that
> > those types of effects don't really show off the photoreal qualities of a
> > program because they are supposed to look computer generated.  So, you see,
> > I'm  not saying they failed, I'm saying that mentioning those films as
> > examples of what 3DS is capable of is pointless.  I could have done the
> > same with just about any program.
>
> Sure it did. No other movie has used that much animation footage done off of
> a PC. The depth of the cyberspace scenes was amazing, larger than most city
> scapes. And it all blended well with the stuff done with Alias. When I see
> the cyberspace redone, at the same quality, with Truespace or Imagine I'll
> believe it. In Virtuosity and Lightspeed you got to see hoe well 3DS matches
> animation to live footage. In Casino you got to see that 3DS can use more
> than the standard renderer and create scenery so realistic that you can't
> tell it apart from the real stuff. I haven't scene Hellraiser yet, but the
> animation looks like typical Lightwave sci-fi stuff, except it done with 3DS.

First of all, I'll make you a deal: You don't mention one measly shot in Casino
that partially used 3DS and I won't mention one measly shot in Lord Of
Illusions that was entirely Lightwave (and Photoshop maps).  As for the 3DS
blending with the Alias stuff, I disagree.  When I saw it, it stood out like a
sore thumb--not that it was Alias, but that it looked different.  I was very
impressed, and was all set to go home and post online that 3DS wasn't bad at
all, when I asked a friend of mine (an animator on Johnny Mnmnmnmnmenonickc)
about that scene and he told me that it wasn't 3DS.
Anyway, you still don't seem to get my point so here it is as simple as I can
make it:
Cyberspace=who cares.  or:
Cyberspace=doesn't show off photoreal "ha, I fooled you, that was an effect!"
qualities of a program.  or:
Cyberspace=no "how did they DO that?" response from audience.
After all, what does *bad* cyberspace look like?


Also, please don't insult Lightwave by saying that the Hellraiser effects look
like Lightwave.  Hell, the TV effects being pumped out by Area 51 (for
Space:Above and Beyond) at a rate that would choke ILM are a thousand times
better than what Blur did for Hellraiser.  Area 51 recently put out 95 shots in
3 weeks for an episode of Space.  Not bad for about 6 animators, eh?

> > Yes, and I'm still waiting to see 3DS used for something that is considered
> > the best for these times.
>
> You'll probably be waiting just as long for the same thing for Lightwave. All
> the crtically aclaimed stuff seems to be done with in-house tools and Alias,
> Wavefront, or Softimage.
>
We'll see in a year from now.  I can't say what I'm working on yet, but as soon
as I can, I will.  (Although you'll probably read it in the trades first)  I
will say that it's no silly Hellraiser 11 or Freddy's Dead 9 crap.

> You're going to see Softimage being used a lot more for low end stuff now
> that it has gone NT. So far I only know of one movie that has used Lightwave
> and that is the face peel scene. 3DS/MAX will be used by Blur for their
> upcoming feature animations. Lightwave has always been king of the sci-fi TV
> series and seems to be breaking into commercial success too with the M&M
> commercials, but I have not seen much in the way of high budget feature film
> work being done with it. If you want to see the list of TV shows and movies
> done with 3DS go back in the thread, it has been posted about 3 times now,
> you even replied to it before. As much as I have heard people praising MAX I
> don't think it can go wrong. You have to remember there are around 70,000
> (Autodesk's numbers) 3DS users who will be upgradeing to MAX. I'm sure at
> least 2/3 of those are professional users who will continue their production
> with 3DS.
>
> Jeff

Yes, there will be more and more SoftImage stuff.  However even SI isn't
perfect for every job.  Its strong point is, naturally, character stuff, so I
wouldn't expect to see it used in too many TV science fiction shows (where
there isn't really enough time to do too much of this).  As for other Lightwave
feature work, there was a Lightwave shot near the beginning of Nixon (which I
haven't seen)--it's a shot of going into the front gates of the White House or
something like that, and the gates are LW.

As for people praising MAX, I too have heard the praise, but I've also heard
that it's buggy as hell.  I always take things like that though with a grain of
salt though so I'm not assuming it is.  Also, remember that 3DS people saying
that MAX is great holds about as much weight for me as LW people saying that LW
5 is great does for you.

Do you really think that ALL 70,000 3DS users will upgrade?  Also, perhaps 2/3
of them are professional users, but out of that, at least 2/3 are architects
and designers.  Autodesk can have that market.  I'm interested in feature film
and TV special effects.  It's actually a bad thing to people wanting to do
effects with 3DS or MAX that such a big part of Autodesk's market is in the
design field because it means they aren't putting as much effort into what you
want to do because it would be bad business for them.  I'm not saying they
haven't put *anything* in there for you, but they certainly aren't putting the
kind of effort into it that the Lightwave programmers are.
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On 4/14/96 10:55AM, in message <4kre5l$[e-mail]>, Steph
Greenberg <[e-mail]> wrote:

> While this may sound true, Newtek has had that problem from the start and
> found a pretty good niche. I can tell you that one of the largest
> problems with hiring personnel in a large company is the cost of the
> workstation that you have to add. The cost does not give me the
> impression that LW isn't professional. Outdated interface, lack of
> certain features which are becomming standard, stubborn fanatical
> adherence to polygons in the face of a patch or NURBS world; those are
> the cues that put LW a notch down from MAX and SI.
>
> For a lot of work that is done in the CGI community, LW is more than
> adaquate.
>
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All I have to say about this is that if you haven't seen LW5 and don't know its
features, DON'T compare LW4 to MAX.  That would be about as fair as comparing
LW5 to 3DS4; should I do that?  Anyway, in what way is the interface outdated?
Since when can something that is ergonomic get outdated?
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Stranahan <[e-mail]> wrote:
: -----______-----------
: In all honesty, though, LW PC didn't become available until verrrry late
: in the year. It has a large base of Amiga users, many of whom will switch
: to the PC or NT.
: ----------------------------

: This has not been the case so far, and NewTek no longer has an upgrade for
: Toaster users - they must pay full price now.. The Toaster sold about
: 35,000 units - the 1500 figure mentioned comes from that base. You have to
: assume that most of the people who plan to upgrade, have upgraded.

It is foolish for Newtek not to continue offering *some* discount. They
need to cut the Amiga base off at the knees so they won't have to dumb
down the program just so people on antiquated '040 Amigas can continue to
use the program. The minimum standard machine for doing 3D these days is
a 90Mhz pentium, which is several times faster than an '040 Amiga.

While some Amigans have no doubt upgraded to '060s, that number is very
small. And the PPC Amiga of the future . . . Well, Pentium Pros are way
faster than the fastest currently available PPC chip as it is. The Amiga
will simply repeat its pattern of always being behind the latest chip.

Two of the people I know with Amigas and LW will switch eventually. To
me, LW is almost an impulse buy, even if I owned MAX. Of course I already
own LW/PC, I'll probably buy MAX when I have the money to upgrade my
machine the way I want to, and I also have Animation Master (which I like
for designing characters).

It doesn't appear, however, that there is currently anything Lightwave
does that Max doesn't. I'll see what Newtek is showing this week. It had
better be impressive, though this is just a warm-up for the battle at
Siggraph this year.

The way I see it, the main advantage of LW has always been a hobbyist
price that allows someone to try LW as a hobby, and make a gradual move
into freelance and then full time pro work. The Amiga users of LW are
both the support base of Newtek and the anchor which holds it back.

When Newtek gets *really* serious about the PC, they'll announce the
final upgrade for the Amiga, and extend a PC upgrade discount (like at
least $100 below the street price) indefinately. To support two platforms
with such a wide gap in performance is suicide.

Computers are not long term investments like a house or even a car. A
four year old computer (or four year old technology) might as well be
an antique. For Newtek to indefinately bear the burdon of trying to keep
the Amiga sort of up to date, pretty much single handedly, is ridiculous.

: Lee Stranahan

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This may have something to do with dongle failures. I have my A2000 &
MacIIci connected via serial port for sending files back & forth. When my
Amiga is on & I turn on the second monitor connected to the Mac, the Amiga
locks up. When I have the serial plug disconnected, everything is fine.
I'm guessing static electricity. It never locks up the Mac though. Maybe
Mac has better grounding, shielding, or whatever. (Macs are built somewhat
better). I still need to check the ground throughout the office
recepticles. I didn't have this problem in the other office. We moved in
the winter so maybe it is just static because of the drier air. But it's
possible that enough static can zap the dongle. If anyone can prove this
to be true, how about a parallel port surge protector or just the right
value capacitors connected in the right place ? Is one available ? If not
it may be a good invention. What do you think ?

[e-mail]

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[e-mail] wrote:
: On 4/9/96 3:47AM, in message <[e-mail]>, Jeff Jasper
: <[e-mail]> wrote:

: >
: > PS-relax it's only software

: Nothing has been introduced by Max yet.

Fred, if you are truly at DD, then you should know better. MAX has been
in pre-release for over a month. It's been in beta for at least 2-3
months. If you guys wanted MAX over there, you'd have it if you don't
already. Has Pockets seen MAX yet? Is he still at DD? I'd certainly respect
his opinion, though he was of the "you'll get my Amiga from me when you
pry it from my cold dead fingers" level of loyalty two years ago.

While I wouldn't risk a major project on MAX anymore than I would be the
first one to ride a scary roller coaster on the first day it was opened,
it has as much of a relationship to 3DSr4 as Lightwave had to Videoscape
3D (its immediate predecessor on the Amiga).

:                       -=Fred=-


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> > NewTek has a marketing problem. Selling a package that can compete
> > with MAX and Softimage on NT but pricing on the low end that gives the
> > impression to some people that it isn't professional.
>
> That's why they show the dozens of TV shows, etc. that are using it.  Certainly
> Steven Spielberg saw it as a professional piece of software.  If it's good
> enough for him, it's more than likely good enough for the average hobbyist or
> professional.

Jeesh, you really have a problem with people who don't seem to think of NewTek as
the gods of the animation industry. His point was very valid and has been mirrored
by MANY Lightwave users and ex NewTek employees. And I didn't know Steven Speilberg
was an expert in animation.

Jeff

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> > They just finished Hellraiser:Bloodline as well as several commercials, they
> > weren't specific as to which ones. They are starting on several feature films,
> > and working on getting a TV series. Their software of choice is 3D Studio MAX.
> >
> > Jeff
>
> Haa haa haa haa haaa!!!! Please stop, my sides are hurting too much!!! Did you
> SEE those effects for Hellraiser 4?  Haa haa haa oh that's rich!  But
> seriously, they were *almost* as good as The Last Starfighter...  Better luck
> next time.

Saw the trailers, looks like the same stuff I see weekly on TV sci-fi stuff. I am really
finding it hard to believe that you are a professional animator...or even an adult. If
Blur's work is so bad why are they so busy with features and commercials and having to
double the size of the company to keep up?

Jeff

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I saw a couple of posts about scripting support for Lightwave.  I use Visual
Basic for Applications(VBA) at work to develop interfaces to Microsoft Excel
Ver 7.0. You use Excell's built-in macro recorder to generate the VBA macro
code.  The resulting macro script is quite similiar to code generated from
Visual Basic and is easily modified.  There is also a forms editor to set
up a custom interface for the your script.  This kind of OLE automation might
be the answer for automating tasks in Modeller or Layout for those of us who
don't have the time to write 'C'-based plugins.  It would also be a great
tool for those one time tasks.  VBA support has been around since Excel Ver
4.0 so maybe it's mature enough to think about integrating it into Lightwave.
 What would really be cool is a VBA OLE Automation Server plugin to Modeller.
For those of you interested in more info, check out Personal Engineering &
Instrumentation News magazine,Volume 13,Number 4,for a background and
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From: Jeff Jasper <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.animation,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave,comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio
Subject: Re: MAX or Lightwave? How about some MAX here folks.
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> I didn't say they could be done with a 2D program.  They certainly could be
> done with just about ANY 3D program though.  Remember, while DK was done in
> Alias, Myst was Strata for crying out loud.  Of course, Myst 2 is being done
> with Alias/Wavefront (and they're hiring right now).

Yes they used Strata, it isn't that bad of a package. It has a lot of features
Lightwave doesn't. Does that make Lightwave and worse of a package no, does it make
Strata any worse, no, they are only software being used by an artist who needs certain
tools for cetain jobs.

> Anyway, you still don't seem to get my point so here it is as simple as I can
> make it:
> Cyberspace=who cares.  or:
> Cyberspace=doesn't show off photoreal "ha, I fooled you, that was an effect!"
> qualities of a program.  or:
> Cyberspace=no "how did they DO that?" response from audience.
> After all, what does *bad* cyberspace look like?

I was just saying it served it's purpose as a movie production tool.

> Also, please don't insult Lightwave by saying that the Hellraiser effects look
> like Lightwave.  Hell, the TV effects being pumped out by Area 51 (for
> Space:Above and Beyond) at a rate that would choke ILM are a thousand times
> better than what Blur did for Hellraiser.  Area 51 recently put out 95 shots in
> 3 weeks for an episode of Space.  Not bad for about 6 animators, eh?

There is Alias animation in Space too, it's not all Lightwave. And yes Hellraiser had
more of a B5 look to it from what I have seen of the trailers. And I think ILM would
be able to handle just about anything trown at them.

> We'll see in a year from now.  I can't say what I'm working on yet, but as soon
> as I can, I will.  (Although you'll probably read it in the trades first)  I
> will say that it's no silly Hellraiser 11 or Freddy's Dead 9 crap.

I guess that makes you better than most the animation world eh?

> Yes, there will be more and more SoftImage stuff.  However even SI isn't
> perfect for every job.  Its strong point is, naturally, character stuff, so I
> wouldn't expect to see it used in too many TV science fiction shows (where
> there isn't really enough time to do too much of this).  As for other Lightwave
> feature work, there was a Lightwave shot near the beginning of Nixon (which I
> haven't seen)--it's a shot of going into the front gates of the White House or
> something like that, and the gates are LW.

I also think with SGIs coming down in price and Maya being developed you will see a
second wave coming from the high end. Never saw Nixon so I can't comment on it.

> As for people praising MAX, I too have heard the praise, but I've also heard
> that it's buggy as hell.  I always take things like that though with a grain of
> salt though so I'm not assuming it is.  Also, remember that 3DS people saying
> that MAX is great holds about as much weight for me as LW people saying that LW
> 5 is great does for you.

I have heard it is very stable, even in Beta. From the tours they have been giving
demoing it I have heard there were VERY few bugs that were apparent to people who used
it or were Beta testing it. I got to play with an early Beta myself and can say it was
rock solid and never crashed once when I put it to through the tests. I have heard
more than a few Lightwavers saying how nice it is too and that NewTek better address
it with 5.0.

> Do you really think that ALL 70,000 3DS users will upgrade?  Also, perhaps 2/3
> of them are professional users, but out of that, at least 2/3 are architects
> and designers.  Autodesk can have that market.  I'm interested in feature film
> and TV special effects.  It's actually a bad thing to people wanting to do
> effects with 3DS or MAX that such a big part of Autodesk's market is in the
> design field because it means they aren't putting as much effort into what you
> want to do because it would be bad business for them.  I'm not saying they
> haven't put *anything* in there for you, but they certainly aren't putting the
> kind of effort into it that the Lightwave programmers are.


Actually 3DS isn't a part of that market, They were a mutimedia division and are now
part of Kenetix. Autodesk had a big lock on the design and archtechtural markets, but
that was mainly because of Autocad. Autodesk also pretty much ruled the gaming world
and has been a big seller to the broadcast market too. I think the Yost team know
exactly what they were doing when they started working on MAX, they were going after
the features in high-end programs not what Lightwave had.

Jeff

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Jeff Jasper wrote:
>
> > What exactly was done with Studio in the shot you're talking about?  What
> > makes the shot remarkable was the extremely realistic lighting and Studio
> > wasn't responsible for that.
>
> God I wish lighting was everything, unfortunatly there usually requires modeling,
> texture mapping, animation, and compositing too. Lightscape is a very 3DS friendly
> package, consider it a radiosity rendering "plug-in" for 3DS if you will.

At almost $3000 (used to be $6000), Lightscape can hardly be called a plug-in.
Almost like calling an Avid editing system a plugin for Lightware.  The sort of
things that you mention Studio was used for could be done with pretty much any 3D
package.  I think I'll stop now, we're drifting off topic.

hammed


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Subject: Re: Playback
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In article <[e-mail]>, Mike Daniel <[e-mail]> wrote:
>My LW40c just arrived about 3 days ago and I can't find
>out where to playback any animations that I render and save?
>
>Am I missing something or is it a little LW joke.
>
>
>                                Mike D.

Well, first off, you did not specify your platform.  If it's PC (since you
mentioned Rev C), then your playback would be through Media Player, which
comes with Windows.  However, you must first select the save animation option
BEFORE you render.  Then you will have an AVI file to playback.  Before you
save an animation, you must load the plugin.  And before you use Lightwave,
you should really glance at the manual.


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From: Bruce Branit <[e-mail]>
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Mark Dunakin wrote:
>
> Say does anyone know how you make that star field that is shaped like a big
> ball. I can make a ball of dots that is solid, but I don't see how they made a
> ball of dots that is hollow.........If some one knows how this was done I'd
> appreciate knowing what the scoop is. And if I figure it out I'll tell about
> it..........md

You could try making a sphere, maybe tesselated to level 4 or 5 or so. Kill all the
polygons of the sphere (k), and do a points<->polys macro or custom plug-in. After
that use jitter to randomize the single-point polys.

You'll be able to add a jitter to a radial array in one step in 5.0.

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Subject: Re: Now I'm confused... LIGHTWAVE 4.0 or 3D MAX?
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Jean-Eric Hénault wrote:

> I only wish they could update the look of the interface. Anyone tired of gray? I like the sleed Windows look with graphical
> Icons. Check-out Alias new Interface... That's really cool. Textured interface anyone?

I think that the interface although, not entirely intuitive because of its divergence
from other, more widely accepted interface conventions, it is entirely utilitarian. The
new user might be a little disoriented with the strange 'grey' interface, and need some
getting used to it, but as a whole it is a logical consistent system for 3D design.

As for the boring grey and yellow, yes, I think it's boring as hell, but I for one like
it. If I'm working I want to look at the pretty pictures I'm creating and not be
distracted by the interface's bright and shiny animated icons and pallets.

If a total rehaul of the interface is underway, I'd only like to suggest that LightWave
stays away from 'glitz for glitz sake' (i.e. Kai power tools) and remember that an
interface should be a place to work from, a tool, not a frame.

(wow, I didn't even have to use the word ergonomic!)

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Subject: Re: Seemless Textures (WAS Re: Is it true?)
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[e-mail] wrote:

Talking about seamless image maps in photoshop...

> To achieve the same effect in Photoshop, wouldn't it be possible to create
> some sort of batch script?  Maybe a simple mouse recorder thing, although that would
> lack the query aspects of a true script language.  (Are there any script capable
> i-p/paint packages available for the lame-o PC?  Winimages?)

I don't mean to get off on a rant here, but...

It's not about making things simple. Most things about animation are really about art.
They are about aesthetics. I'm not intending to come down on anybody but it seems there
is a lot of...'how do I make things easier?' 'How do I make the computer do things for
me that I don't feel like doing?' It seems that what is at the heart of good animation
is an animator nurturing his or her images every step of the way, what-ever it takes,
paying attention to the details, like rubber stamping seamless maps in photoshop, until
the imagery meets or surpasses what was in the artist's mind's eye.

The soapbox is now vacant...

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On 13-Apr-96 16:53:01, Walter (Jay) Turberville (III) <[e-mail]>
wrote:
>In article <4koqnm$[e-mail]> Steph Greenberg
><[e-mail]> writes:

>>The question is this: is the PC now Lightwave's primary development
>>platform? In other words, what will come first, the next PC version of LW
>>or the Amiga version? I just can't help but think that Newtek's former
>>Amiga fanaticism affects how they look at the PC. That fanaticism led
>>them to make some very bad decisions a couple of years ago that still
>>affect them.

>>In other words, is the Amiga now the platform that gets a port of LW,
>>after everything is finished on the PC?

>>And what is Newtek doing to get ALL of its plugin vendors off the Amiga
>>and onto the PC? One thing about Autodesk: their commitment and loyalty to
>>the PC and NT platforms is unquestionable. Their programmers do not feel
>>a need to go through a cleansing ritual to wash the stench of Microsoft
>>from their fingers every time they code on a PC.


>Since NewTek released 4.0 pre-release for the PC first and the final version
>for the PC first, it seems likely that the PC version is now considered the
>flagholder.  There are probably more registered users of LW on the Amiga, but
> I'd guess there are more 4.0 users on the PC.  If NewTek fails to recognize
>that LW for NT is the future of LW, then that will be a huge mistake.

  From a marketing standpoint, I can't see them doing anything else.  I expect
them to continue to making Amiga versions -- it is a "locked-in" market that is
almost guaranteed sales -- but once unbundled from the Video Toaster, it doesn't
make sense to lock it back in.  I use an '060 Video Toaster system, and would
love to see NewTek do more with it, but cannot see it remaining the main
platform for Lightwave.  Even with Amigas fast enough to compete with pentiums,,
there are an awful lot of those NT-capable machines out there.  With even
faster Pentium-Pros coming out, not to mention Dec Alphas, I seriously doubt
that there will be any chance of dropping the PC versions.


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Jeff Jasper wrote:

> > As for people praising MAX, I too have heard the praise, but I've also heard
> > that it's buggy as hell.  I always take things like that though with a grain of
> > salt though so I'm not assuming it is.  Also, remember that 3DS people saying
> > that MAX is great holds about as much weight for me as LW people saying that LW
> > 5 is great does for you.
>
> I have heard it is very stable, even in Beta. From the tours they have been giving
> demoing it I have heard there were VERY few bugs that were apparent to people who used
> it or were Beta testing it. I got to play with an early Beta myself and can say it was
> rock solid and never crashed once when I put it to through the tests. I have heard
> more than a few Lightwavers saying how nice it is too and that NewTek better address
> it with 5.0.

Ok, I didn't really want to get into this but after seeing so many posts about MAX
being bug free, I went over to a friends place who has a beta copy of MAX to check
it out.  His version was dated Jan 18 so it might not be the latest version.  This
version seemed more like an alpha version than a beta.  Some examples:

- tried to change viewport to fill the screen - crash!
- set up a particle system, tried to render - crash!
- I'm thinking 'ok, maybe thats asking too much out of a beta release' so I make a
simple cube, try to render - crash!

In about half an hour that I used the program for, it crashed every time I tried to
do anything other than very simple stuff.  I hope Autodesk has fixed up MAX in the
three months since they released the version I used.

It really infuriates me, after trying MAX, to see people slamming LW for being
buggy.  I bought the pre-release PC version after using Amiga versions for few
years.  True, there were some bugs in the pre-release but none of them were critical
enough to make the program unusable.  Almost all the bugs in LW 4 pre-release had
workarounds.  I think a lot of people counting on this bug-infested MAX are going to
be a little disappointed when they find out it isn't as 'rock solid' as they
thought.  Every program in its first release has its share of bugs and MAX is no
different.

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On 4/14/96 12:22PM, in message <4krj8q$[e-mail]>, Steph
Greenberg <[e-mail]> wrote:

> [e-mail] wrote:
> : On 4/9/96 3:47AM, in message <[e-mail]>, Jeff Jasper
> : <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> : >
> : > PS-relax it's only software
>
> : Nothing has been introduced by Max yet.
>
> Fred, if you are truly at DD, then you should know better. MAX has been
> in pre-release for over a month. It's been in beta for at least 2-3
> months. If you guys wanted MAX over there, you'd have it if you don't
> already. Has Pockets seen MAX yet? Is he still at DD? I'd certainly respect
> his opinion, though he was of the "you'll get my Amiga from me when you
> pry it from my cold dead fingers" level of loyalty two years ago.
>
> While I wouldn't risk a major project on MAX anymore than I would be the
> first one to ride a scary roller coaster on the first day it was opened,
> it has as much of a relationship to 3DSr4 as Lightwave had to Videoscape
> 3D (its immediate predecessor on the Amiga).
>
> :                       -=Fred=-
>
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What I mean is that MAX is not officially shipping.
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On 4/14/96 12:33PM, in message <[e-mail]>, Jeff Jasper
<[e-mail]> wrote:

> > > NewTek has a marketing problem. Selling a package that can compete
> > > with MAX and Softimage on NT but pricing on the low end that gives the
> > > impression to some people that it isn't professional.
> >
> > That's why they show the dozens of TV shows, etc. that are using it.
> Certainly
> > Steven Spielberg saw it as a professional piece of software.  If it's good
> > enough for him, it's more than likely good enough for the average hobbyist
> or
> > professional.
>
> Jeesh, you really have a problem with people who don't seem to think of
> NewTek as
> the gods of the animation industry. His point was very valid and has been
> mirrored
> by MANY Lightwave users and ex NewTek employees. And I didn't know Steven
> Speilberg
> was an expert in animation.
>
> Jeff

Price is not the problem with NewTek's marketing. And yes, Steven Spielberg is
an expert when it comes to judging the quality of animation.
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On 4/14/96 12:35PM, in message <[e-mail]>, Jeff Jasper
<[e-mail]> wrote:

> > > They just finished Hellraiser:Bloodline as well as several commercials,
> they
> > > weren't specific as to which ones. They are starting on several feature
> films,
> > > and working on getting a TV series. Their software of choice is 3D Studio
> MAX.
> > >
> > > Jeff
> >
> > Haa haa haa haa haaa!!!! Please stop, my sides are hurting too much!!! Did
> you
> > SEE those effects for Hellraiser 4?  Haa haa haa oh that's rich!  But
> > seriously, they were *almost* as good as The Last Starfighter...  Better
> luck
> > next time.
>
> Saw the trailers, looks like the same stuff I see weekly on TV sci-fi stuff.
> I am really
> finding it hard to believe that you are a professional animator...or even an
> adult. If
> Blur's work is so bad why are they so busy with features and commercials and
> having to
> double the size of the company to keep up?
>
> Jeff

Because there's TONS of work out here and *someone* has to do it.  Also, I'm
sure they are an extremely economical choice (you don't see them doing "A"
movies though, do you?).  And no, they weren't even up to TV quality in my eyes.
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in the begining there was [e-mail] (). And he did writeth:
>
>
>|>>
>|>> >I believe sound sync is a plugin in Max, at least thats the impression I
>|>> >got when I played with it a month ago (when did you see it?).
>|>>
>|>>
>|>> Whell, if you want to get technical, then you will have to say just
>|>> about everything is a plugin, inclidng the Renderer.  That is what
>|>> makes MAX so cool.  It intergrates the plugin's into the base program
>|>> seamlessly.  So, when the Renderman engin becomes availible later this
>|>> year, it will be as if it was part in parcle with the orginal release.
>|>>
>|>> mjm
>|>>
> >  Well now LightWave supports plugins, so does that mean it is cool also;-)
>
>  -bill

Lightwave's plugins are nowhere near as versetile as 3dsmax's.
And, to all those saying lightwave is better than max for space shots I just saw
buggy4.jpg and it is better than anything I ever saw done with lightwave. I'm
not saying lightwave's bad just that the artist who made this is brilliant.

-Steve

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in the begining there was [e-mail] (Joe Monahan). And he did
writeth:

>In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Tim
>Krego) wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 09 Apr 1996 22:42:59 -0700, cjtsui <[e-mail]> wrote:
>> >I believe sound sync is a plugin in Max, at least thats the impression I
>> >got when I played with it a month ago (when did you see it?).
>>
>> Everything in MAX is a plugin (.dll), the renderer, image savers,
>> object loaders, primitives, etc. Allows for addition or changes to the
>> components very easily.
>
>
>And allows Autodesk to charge out the wazzo for stuff other apps come with!
>
>Joe

Well, all the axp's and sxp's from yost disks 1&2 come with it. that's $600
worth of software for $500 upgrade.
Second it allows people to make their own plugins for 3ds max.
If some wiz-kid comes along and makes a great radiosity rendering engine, with
raytracing etc. then ha can. Programing specs apparantely come with max.

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>   David Forbus <[e-mail]> writes:
>  [e-mail] (VirtualBri) wrote:
>  >Mirrored surfaces look bad.  Why would they want to make bad surfacing a
>  >specific feature?
>  >--Brian
>  >http://members.aol.com/virtualbri/
>  >http://members.aol.com/equinoxii/
>
>  Mirrored surfaces look bad? Says who? You can always ray-trace mirrored
>  surfaces. A ploished wooden table top is a mirrored surface. A pane of
>  glass is a mirrored surface. Polished metal is a mirrored surface.
>  Duh............
>
>  DLF

    Duh indeed.  You must say that a lot, since we were talking about
mirrored bitmaps, not reflective surfaces.

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Hello!!

Can someone help me..???? i'm looking for books about lightwaves modeling
process and other stuf i can get to work.....in France we ave'nt any
information about the newteck product...:((

Thank's in advance!!


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On 4/14/96 12:55PM, in message <[e-mail]>, Jeff Jasper
<[e-mail]> wrote:

> > Anyway, you still don't seem to get my point so here it is as simple as I
> can
> > make it:
> > Cyberspace=who cares.  or:
> > Cyberspace=doesn't show off photoreal "ha, I fooled you, that was an
> effect!"
> > qualities of a program.  or:
> > Cyberspace=no "how did they DO that?" response from audience.
> > After all, what does *bad* cyberspace look like?
>
> I was just saying it served it's purpose as a movie production tool.

OK, I agree to that. But that was a pretty limited and easy task for it.

>
>  Area 51 recently put out 95 shots in
> > 3 weeks for an episode of Space.  Not bad for about 6 animators, eh?
>
> There is Alias animation in Space too, it's not all Lightwave.

Close, but wrong.  In the pilot, and ONLY the pilot, there was a sequence where
the pilots are in a simulator.  THAT was Alias.  There is NO OTHER Alias
animation in the show.  By the way, Glenn Campbell, the animator who did the
cool 3DS hands shots in Johnny M&Mnemonic is a supervisor over at Area 51.

> And yes Hellraiser had
> more of a B5 look to it from what I have seen of the trailers. And I think
> ILM would be able to handle just about anything trown at them.
Yes, I guess maybe ILM could handle it if the money was there--but in TV it's
not.  Actually, now that I think of it, I don't think they handled Jumanji very
well (putting them up against the standards they set with Jurassic and others).

>
> > We'll see in a year from now.  I can't say what I'm working on yet, but as
> > soon  as I can, I will.  (Although you'll probably read it in the trades
> > first)  I  will say that it's no silly Hellraiser 11 or Freddy's Dead 9
> > crap.
>
> I guess that makes you better than most the animation world eh?

Not at all.  I've done some of the worst animation ever seen on the TV screens
of the world.  I've also done some good things.  My point wasn't about me, it
was about Lightwave.  I meant that if "A" movies are willing to use it over MAX
there must be *something* to it.

> > As for people praising MAX, I too have heard the praise, but I've also heard
> > that it's buggy as hell.  I always take things like that though with a
> > grain of salt though so I'm not assuming it is.  Also, remember that 3DS
> > people saying  that MAX is great holds about as much weight for me as LW
> > people saying that LW 5 is great does for you.
>
> I have heard it is very stable, even in Beta. From the tours they have been
> giving demoing it I have heard there were VERY few bugs that were apparent to
> people who used it or were Beta testing it. I got to play with an early Beta
> myself and can say it was rock solid and never crashed once when I put it to
> through the tests. I have heard more than a few Lightwavers saying how nice
> it is too and that NewTek better address it with 5.0.
>
When I say buggy I don't necessarily mean it crashes often.  I mean the myriad
of other problems that can arise--say something like rendering errors or is a
light going behind a transparent object affected the wrong way, etc.  Many of
these bugs (and I'm not talking about a specific program here) are only
apparent under intense and unusual use so they won't really be apparent to the
part time hobbyist (as most of the features won't be of much use). Since you
seem to be pretty damned experienced with all this, I'll trust your opinion
that it's pretty stable though.  One thing I must say again though in regard to
which program has a better toolbook is that in the entire 2 1/2 seasons of
seaQuest, all the Lightwave in ST:Voyager, 2 seasons of Hercules, 3(?) seasons
of B5, and most of the current season of Space--well, actually EVERYTHING done
with Lightwave up until around November '95 was done without one single plugin.
 For many things plugins would have been nice, but the work _could_ be done
without them.

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>   Jeff Jasper <[e-mail]> writes yet again:

>  Sony is not the only one by far. Blurr uses 3DS almost <blah blah blah>

    Jeff, could you please delete c.g.app.lw from the posting in this thread?


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>   [e-mail] (Jim Cable) writes:
>  I saw a couple of posts about scripting support for Lightwave.  I use Visual
>  Basic for Applications(VBA) at work to develop interfaces <etc>

    BML is the language of choice for writing LWModeler scripts.




OK, it's the ONLY language.


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David - A Smiling Boy ;> ([e-mail]) wrote:

>Hey, the following message posted by someone seems to prefer OS/2 to
>Win95 because his login name is @ibm.net.....

>That's why his opinion tend to favor OS/2

first off ibm.net is a domain not a login name, second it's the domain name
used for IBM's Advantis (ISP) users and doesn't indicate and professional
link to IBM (ie employee)

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Generally I make it a point not to read any articles that are titled
"(OS X) better than (OS Y) PLEASE!!!!", let alone reply to them. I can't
understand anyone getting THIS emotional over software. It makes one
comparable to a disgruntled postal worker...I wonder if this guy is going to
go to work at IBM tech support one day and start picking off coworkers. Ahem.

Anyway, here's my thoughts on the matter:

> IMHO, as someone who has to support OS/2 for a living,
> IT BLOWS!
>   It is the most useless piece of garbage I've ever seen.

Perhaps Microsoft Tech Support is hiring?

> Here are some truths to hold against the marketing scams that IBM has
> touted OS/2 with:
>
> (1) "OS/2 is more stable than ________"
>       Bullshit. I see it crash applications 5 or 10 times a day. And,
> when Windows locks up an application, it at least goes ahead and does
> it. OS/2 sits there with the entire system hung up for 5 minutes (no
> lie) while it tries depsperately to recover the application. In the
> meantime, you can't do anything but move the mouse around. Usually,
> OS/2 CAN'T recover, and you end up having to reboot your system (which
> in itself takes forever).

Here's a quick lesson in understanding the technology:

Yes, when a PRESENTATION MANAGER application crashes, Warp has been known to
spend an amount of time trying to get a response from a hanged application
(although I've never seen it sit there for five minutes...30-45 seconds has
been the maximum on REALLY bad days. :)  )   There is a reason for this. If a
VIO (text window) application hangs, you can shut it down immediately. The
difference between the VIO and the PM application is a message queue. The
message queue that PM apps (and ONLY PM apps.) has is where all its
information and input come from. A message is stuck in a program's queue
whenever you click a mouse button, hit a key, drag an object, close a window,
etc...and the program handles these messages one by one. The reason for a
"System hang" when a presentation manager app stops is that it is no longer
processing its message queue. So big deal. This is a multitasking system,
right? We'll just click on another window because this one is toasted. This
is the snag; to switch focus to another window, the current window must
process a message telling it that it is losing focus.

The reason I tell you this is
a) Not ALL OS/2 programs, when hanged, will hang the system.
b) Actually, none of them "hang" the system. If you load the system clock,
and let a program do the damage I just described above, you'll note the clock
is still running. That's correct; the system is still multitasking.

(As well, OS/2 Warp's latest FixPak includes a patch for an SIQ fix...it
handles these "5 minute hangs" much better than before.)

Also, I think I should note that OS/2 doesn't crash ANY applications.
(although you claim it crashes them 5-10 times a day)...the applications
crash themselves. No operating system, be it DOS, OS/2, UNIX, or any other,
can do a thing for a program that is BUGGY, but protect itself and other
running programs. And that is a fact of life.

> (2) "OS/2 is faster than __________"
>      Not. I have never seen another OS thrash the living hell out of a
> hard disk as badly as OS/2 does. A good comparison would be running
> Photoshop on a 486 w/ 12MB of RAM and editing a 1024x768x24bit
> picture. But, OS/2 acts like that on a Pentium 90 w/ 40MB of RAM...

That certainly hasn't been the experience here...but I certainly can't prove
what I see on my system to you.

> (3) "OS/2 uses less memory than ________"
>      See #2. OS/2 on a Pentium 90 w/ 8MB of RAM runs slower than it
> does on a 386 with 16MB of RAM.

What is your point in bringing this up? I am not surprised that a 386
outperforms a faster processor when it has double the RAM behind it. OS/2
uses less memory than _______ (possible candidates are Windows NT, notorious
for having a 12 megabyte MINIMUM on RAM...upwards of 20 for anything usable,
Windows 95, which claims to have AT LEAST OS/2 minimum requirements for
memory, but doesn't seem to do quite as well with it, various flavors of
UNIX, etc...)

Effectively, the only statement that #3 holds true for is "OS/2 uses less
memory than DOS (or perhaps my commodore 64)"...however, DOS doesn't allow
access to memory as cleanly or effectively as OS/2 (there is no thing as
EMS, XMS, VCPI, DPMI, or any other number of memory acronyms.)

In short, I can't imagine WHY you complain that the Operating system runs in
8 megs of memory, but is able to make use of all 16 megabytes of memory in a
computer (per your example)...DOS only uses the first meg, unless you fight
with it for more.

> (4) "You can still use DOS and Windows applications"
>      If all you run is DOS and Windows apps anyway, then why bother
> having OS/2?? Its just unnecessary overhead that takes up valuable
> system resources (RAM, disk space, etc).

Because it
a) Allows me to run multiple DOS programs simultaneously (which I cannot do
    with DOS alone)
b) It allows me to preemptively multitask Windows applications (which I
    cannot do with Windows alone)
c) and, most importantly, I don't need to reboot when a DOS or Windows
    program crashes (Which I cannot do with either DOS -OR- Windows.)

>   Also, (5) OS/2 does not support Win95/NT applications AT ALL,

..and Win95/NT has no support for OS/2 applications.

However, IBM has introduced DAPIE (Developer's API extensions), which allow
developers to write programs using Win32 APIs, and, with nothing more than a
recompile, create a native OS/2 program.

So, OS/2 supports DOS, Win3.1, OS/2 16 and 32 bit, and with little effort,
Win95/NT...what does Win95 support? Uh-huh.

> (6) has poor support for Win32s,

IBM just upgraded OS/2's Win32s support to version 1.25.

> (7) has next to no driver support (scanners, sound cards, digitizers, tablets, etc.) and

OS/2 has more drivers right out of the box than Windows for Workgroups 3.11.
As well, many companies now write OS/2 drivers. Perhaps Win95 has more
drivers, but to imply there is "next to no driver support" is incorrect.

>(8) hardly any native applications.

Actually, there's thousands of OS/2 applications. Commercially, yes, there
may be more for other operating systems, but OS/2 still has plenty of apps on
the net and for order from companies such as Indelible Blue and IBM Direct.

If you can't find OS/2 applications, you haven't been looking very hard.


> And then there's my favorite: if the OS2.INI or OS2SYS.INI file gets corrupted,
> YOU HAVE HOSED YOUR ENTIRE SYSTEM AND MUST REINSTALL OS/2 AND EVERY DAMN
> APPLICATION YOU HAVE. These files are not user-editable, and trying to use
> backups rarely works.

Is this any different than Win95/NT/3.x's REGISTRY? Nope.

Actually, I can think of two programs off the top of my head (IniEdit and
IniMaint, both on hobbes.nmsu.edu) that'll edit and backup the INI files.) I
think OS/2 even comes with directions on INI recovery, too.

> If this convinces anyone to NOT waste their valuable money and time on
> this piece of steaming shit, then I will sleep much better tonight.

I'm rather curious as to what operating system you LIKE, actually.

--Ryan.


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On 4/14/96 5:01PM, in message <[e-mail]>, Steve
<[e-mail]> wrote:

> Lightwave's plugins are nowhere near as versetile as 3dsmax's.
> And, to all those saying lightwave is better than max for space shots I just
> saw
> buggy4.jpg and it is better than anything I ever saw done with lightwave. I'm
> not saying lightwave's bad just that the artist who made this is brilliant.
>
> -Steve
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------
>  __            ,'               ,.                       ,,
>  \,''-..,     ,''              .,.',  ',         ,',   .,','
> _-''-.   ''-,'_.'                ' ',,' ',     ,' ,',
>   )  )    -*\   'O,            ,'        ,',', ',  ',,     ,
>  ) )   /,..,,.,-,.,'       ,.,'               .,'     ''.,'  ,'
> @_.,.)  >-,._, ''.'--,'''''                                ,'  ,,
> '    '''-,,_ '-,,  -,.,                                   ,'  ','
>            .'''._'     '-,..,.,.                ,',_....,'
>             ',/'                ''.,,,..,.,,.-''
>
> Ye Olde Dragon Of Ask'eeyart. Now kneel or else.
> ------------------------------------------------------------
>


I don't know enough about MAX's plugins to dispute the first line above, and
anyway, you are probably right.

So where is this buggy4.jpg I'd be VERY interested in seeing it.  (I'm assuming
that's not it above)
--
                      -=Fred=-


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[e-mail] wrote:
>
> >   [e-mail](Joe Schrengohst ) writes:
> >  In <[e-mail]> LonerSam <[e-mail]>
> >  writes:
> >  >
> >  >Hi all,
> >  >
> >  >I wonder where and how to change the output
> >  >resoultion of LW from 75dpi to something bigger
> >  >number for printing purpose rather than video
> >  >purpose.
> >  >
> >  >If 75dpi is the only res. I can choose from, no
> >  >wonder why it is suitable for broadcasting purpose,
> >  >only.
>
>         75dpi is printer bullshit.  Who cares?  Make it the pixel size you
> want and render it.  Change the dpi in Photoshop.  Has no real effect.
>
>         Read a book.
>
> ******************************************************************************
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> ** Welcome to Seattle!  Have a latte'!     | Technical Subjects a Specialty!**
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Please, read a different book!

As for who cares, you were just kidding, right?

Mike

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Stranahan <[e-mail]> wrote:
: -------------------
: I just can't help but think that Newtek's former
: Amiga fanaticism affects how they look at the PC. That fanaticism led
: them to make some very bad decisions a couple of years ago that still
: affect them.
: -------------------
: Amiga one way or another. He's told me that real clearly on a number of
: occasions.

: The actual issue is that Tim isn't interested in products he didn't
: develop. He either needs to get involved in them and slows the development
: process down (which is part of the reason why he's lost every single
: solitary engineer who worked with him two and a half years ago) OR he
: focuses on other things, which is why LightWave's promotion has languished
: and blown it's chance to take market share.

I see this occurring in nearly every company. It's often so systematic
it's called the NIH syndrome. While "not invented here" usually applies
to ignoring positive achievments from other companies, it often occurs
within the same company. Stories of newly ascendent entertainment
executives killing perfectly good projects conceived of by predecessors
is legend. Happens in aerospace all the time.

It's sad. In 1991 LW was to tackle Wavefront. Yet when Softimage and
Alias dominated the SGI world in the last two years, Newtek didn't
extend its challenge to those formiddable programs. While I think they
were the first program to include glows and lens flare, they truly blew
it in getting their animation tools in line with what was going on at the
high end. IK has been in Softimage since 1992, with a robust constraint
system and great animation editing tools. If IK, along with a better
channel editor and NURBS had been brought out by Newtek in 1994, on a PC,
this thread would not exist today.

Newtek just stood by resting on its B-5 laurels and let Autodesk walk off
with the prize. Nothing kills software or hardware like resting on its
laurels. Look what such neglect did to the Amiga.

And nothing enables such irresponsible lack of initiative like users who
defend out of date hardware and software to the death. As I've said
before, LW5 will have to be a major departure from LW4 to take on MAX on
even ground (in other words, price not being the *only* consideration).

Every year, a new round of software wars takes place. I've had several
people making a living with Lightwave tell me that LW5 had better be a
MAX killer by Siggraph, or else they will have to switch just to stay
competitive. Some are talking about getting Softimage instead. I'm not in
a hurry, and if LW responds to the challenge, I'd be just as happy not
spending 1000s of $$$ on MAX. But I think they got off to too late a
start to get everything together in a short period of time.

: _____________________________________________
: Lee Stranahan

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[e-mail] wrote:
: |>Lightwave has none of these features?  Do I go around bashing 3DS 4 assuming
:   Now Now Fred, Show a little sympathy here will you. After all thse guys are
:   excited, They have had to sit back and suffer with 3DS while lW was showing
:   up on the TV screens for over a year now!. It is obvious that they know
:   little about LW. They seem ignorant of the envelopes in LW. Allen has already

I've got LW and I've got MAX at work. I've had LW since October 1990,
when I had the 25th Toaster ever made (before they started scrambling
serial numbers).

:   stated his view on Nurbs, GL shading is probabbly a given and until Max
:   is released nobody has it. Particles, gravity ect are present today in
:   third party software. Interactive lighting ? I need this explaine to me

Are all of those available for the PC version?

:   as I am not sure what it means/offers. Can this be accopmlished with
:   Camera/light envelopes ? Also remember before MAx these people thought 3DS
:   the better program, that has to make me wonder.

Animatable parameters in the envelopes are greatly expanded upon in
programs like MAX, Softimage and Alias. If you don't have a need for the
newer stuff that MAX has, I can't see a need for you to switch. LW does
great effects for SF TV shows, but it can't nearly do the stuff Softimage
and Alias do with a lot less effort. Much of this is related to character
animation. Also, the particles work in near realtime, shaded, in MAX.

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Hammed Malik wrote:
>
> Jeff Jasper wrote:
>
> > > As for people praising MAX, I too have heard the praise, but I've also heard
> > > that it's buggy as hell.  I always take things like that though with a grain of
> > > salt though so I'm not assuming it is.  Also, remember that 3DS people saying
> > > that MAX is great holds about as much weight for me as LW people saying that LW
> > > 5 is great does for you.
> >
> > I have heard it is very stable, even in Beta. From the tours they have been giving
> > demoing it I have heard there were VERY few bugs that were apparent to people who used
> > it or were Beta testing it. I got to play with an early Beta myself and can say it was
> > rock solid and never crashed once when I put it to through the tests. I have heard
> > more than a few Lightwavers saying how nice it is too and that NewTek better address
> > it with 5.0.
>
> Ok, I didn't really want to get into this but after seeing so many posts about MAX
> being bug free, I went over to a friends place who has a beta copy of MAX to check
> it out.  His version was dated Jan 18 so it might not be the latest version.  This
> version seemed more like an alpha version than a beta.  Some examples:
>
> - tried to change viewport to fill the screen - crash!
> - set up a particle system, tried to render - crash!
> - I'm thinking 'ok, maybe thats asking too much out of a beta release' so I make a
> simple cube, try to render - crash!
>
> In about half an hour that I used the program for, it crashed every time I tried to
> do anything other than very simple stuff.  I hope Autodesk has fixed up MAX in the
> three months since they released the version I used.
>
> It really infuriates me, after trying MAX, to see people slamming LW for being
> buggy.  I bought the pre-release PC version after using Amiga versions for few
> years.  True, there were some bugs in the pre-release but none of them were critical
> enough to make the program unusable.  Almost all the bugs in LW 4 pre-release had
> workarounds.  I think a lot of people counting on this bug-infested MAX are going to
> be a little disappointed when they find out it isn't as 'rock solid' as they
> thought.  Every program in its first release has its share of bugs and MAX is no
> different.
>
> hammed

Your friends computer must be messed up. I used a the same beta version
for 4+ hours without a single crash while 2 extremely intense background
tasks were occuring.

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[e-mail] wrote:
>
> On 4/14/96 5:01PM, in message <[e-mail]>, Steve
> <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> > Lightwave's plugins are nowhere near as versetile as 3dsmax's.
> > And, to all those saying lightwave is better than max for space shots I just
> > saw
> > buggy4.jpg and it is better than anything I ever saw done with lightwave. I'm
> > not saying lightwave's bad just that the artist who made this is brilliant.
> >
> > -Steve
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------
> >  __            ,'               ,.                       ,,
> >  \,''-..,     ,''              .,.',  ',         ,',   .,','
> > _-''-.   ''-,'_.'                ' ',,' ',     ,' ,',
> >   )  )    -*\   'O,            ,'        ,',', ',  ',,     ,
> >  ) )   /,..,,.,-,.,'       ,.,'               .,'     ''.,'  ,'
> > @_.,.)  >-,._, ''.'--,'''''                                ,'  ,,
> > '    '''-,,_ '-,,  -,.,                                   ,'  ','
> >            .'''._'     '-,..,.,.                ,',_....,'
> >             ',/'                ''.,,,..,.,,.-''
> >
> > Ye Olde Dragon Of Ask'eeyart. Now kneel or else.
> > ------------------------------------------------------------
> >
>
> I don't know enough about MAX's plugins to dispute the first line above, and
> anyway, you are probably right.
>
> So where is this buggy4.jpg I'd be VERY interested in seeing it.  (I'm assuming
> that's not it above)
> --
>                       -=Fred=-

Goto www.torcomp.com/3dmax.htm for the buggy shot and other cool shots,
all done without plugins.

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From: [e-mail]
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I have copied the original win95 avifil32.dll back into the windows directory, and the AVI's now save. But if I try to
save an animation that has lens_flares in it, Lightwave cause a general protection fault. It seems to do this with all
the codec's I've tried. Does anybody have any ideas on how to fix this, other than rendering each frame separately (This
needs LOADS of disk space)?


Thanks

James


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Subject: Re: WIN95 better than OS/2 PLEASE!!!!
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Sorry for the non-binary post but I can't contain myself.  I don't
want anyone believing this MS horn tooting  idiot.  He knows nothing
about os/2.  I doubt if he know anything about computers.  OS/2 is a
very stable os.  My computer gets about 10-12 hours of hard work per
day.  I never shut off the computer and the only time I reboot is if I
installed something that required it.  My computer will run for months
with out being reboot.  If that isn't stable I don't know what is.
This [e-mail] fellow may have tried to install os/2 but
blamed OS/2 for his inability to operate his computer.  OS/2 is great
I would suggest that anyone who wants more out of there computer
should try it.  If you don't like it you probably don't have it setup
correctly.  Getting OS/2 setup right can take some time but once your
there you'll never want to leave.

On Sat, 13 Apr 1996 13:56:23 GMT, [e-mail] wrote:

>IMHO, as someone who has to support OS/2 for a living,
>IT BLOWS!
>  It is the most useless piece of garbage I've ever seen.
>
>Here are some truths to hold against the marketing scams that IBM has
>touted OS/2 with:
>
>(1) "OS/2 is more stable than ________"
>      Bullshit. I see it crash applications 5 or 10 times a day. And,
>when Windows locks up an application, it at least goes ahead and does
>it. OS/2 sits there with the entire system hung up for 5 minutes (no
>lie) while it tries depsperately to recover the application. In the
>meantime, you can't do anything but move the mouse around. Usually,
>OS/2 CAN'T recover, and you end up having to reboot your system (which
>in itself takes forever).
>(2) "OS/2 is faster than __________"
>     Not. I have never seen another OS thrash the living hell out of a
>hard disk as badly as OS/2 does. A good comparison would be running
>Photoshop on a 486 w/ 12MB of RAM and editing a 1024x768x24bit
>picture. But, OS/2 acts like that on a Pentium 90 w/ 40MB of RAM...
>(3) "OS/2 uses less memory than ________"
>     See #2. OS/2 on a Pentium 90 w/ 8MB of RAM runs slower than it
>does on a 386 with 16MB of RAM.
>(4) "You can still use DOS and Windows applications"
>     If all you run is DOS and Windows apps anyway, then why bother
>having OS/2?? Its just unnecessary overhead that takes up valuable
>system resources (RAM, disk space, etc).
>  Also, (5) OS/2 does not support Win95/NT applications AT ALL, (6)
>has poor support for Win32s, (7) has next to no driver support
>(scanners, sound cards, digitizers, tablets, etc.) and (8) hardly any
>native applications. And then there's my favorite: if the OS2.INI or
>OS2SYS.INI file gets corrupted, YOU HAVE HOSED YOUR ENTIRE SYSTEM AND
>MUST REINSTALL OS/2 AND EVERY DAMN APPLICATION YOU HAVE. These files
>are not user-editable, and trying to use backups rarely works.
>
>If this convinces anyone to NOT waste their valuable money and time on
>this piece of steaming shit, then I will sleep much better tonight.
>
>
>
>The Venerable Arch-Mage Meniscus
>



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On Sun, 14 Apr 1996 15:47:15 GMT, [e-mail] wrote:

>  Before I proceed to humiliate you in fron of the entire public, let
>me warn you that my job is to install and maintain OS/2 and Network
>Software on internal machines. Are you familiar with PC3270?

Look like your company should find someone who can do the job
correctly.



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Steve wrote:
>
> in the begining there was [e-mail] (). And he did writeth:
> >
> >
> >|>>
> >|>> >I believe sound sync is a plugin in Max, at least thats the impression I
> >|>> >got when I played with it a month ago (when did you see it?).
> >|>>
> >|>>
> >|>> Whell, if you want to get technical, then you will have to say just
> >|>> about everything is a plugin, inclidng the Renderer.  That is what
> >|>> makes MAX so cool.  It intergrates the plugin's into the base program
> >|>> seamlessly.  So, when the Renderman engin becomes availible later this
> >|>> year, it will be as if it was part in parcle with the orginal release.
> >|>>
> >|>> mjm
> >|>>
> > >  Well now LightWave supports plugins, so does that mean it is cool also;-)
> >
> >  -bill
>
> Lightwave's plugins are nowhere near as versetile as 3dsmax's.
> And, to all those saying lightwave is better than max for space shots I just saw
> buggy4.jpg and it is better than anything I ever saw done with lightwave. I'm
> not saying lightwave's bad just that the artist who made this is brilliant.

I just returned from "http://www.torcomp.com/images/buggy4.jpg" and although it is a
very nice picture, it definitely does not surpass the best lightwave renderings *I*
have seen.  It's not even close.  This is all a matter of personal opinion, of
course, but you should really check out more LW renderings.  I also don't see
anything in that image that couldn't easily be reproduced with LW.

I also wouldn't call it very "photorealistic".  I'm not sure if this was by design,
or a limitation of 3DS MAX's native renderer.  I hope this is not the ultimate
expression of 3DS MAX's capabilities.

A very nice picture, nonetheless.

--

Bryant Reif
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From: Ace Miles <[e-mail]>
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David Forbus wrote:
>
> I'm using Lightwave 4.0 intel. When I load a scene my resources show that
> I have 39+Megs of free RAM. When I start rendering the machine starts
> using virtual memory. After halting the render, resources show 0Megs free.
> Where did 39Megs go? I have been using Lightwave on the PC for a few
> months and for two years on the Amiga. This problem seems to have appeared
> out of nowhere. I have not had this problem before. Also, I'm running
> under both Win95 and WinNT 3.51. The problem is identical running
> Lightwave with either. Any advice? I have recently had to mess with
> system configurations. Any suggestions?
>
> Thanks..............DLF

What Rev are you running?

--
 Ace Miles * Senior Animator * Atari Games/Williams Entertainment
       [e-mail] (work)  or   [e-mail] (home)
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From: DMacKay <[e-mail]>
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I would  like to include multimedia schools IN A LIST OF multimedia
companies and resources Ihave been compiling
within Canada,....so if you belong to one or know of one with it's web
site
please let me know at the address below and I will place a link from my
Multimedia site. These are schools which would generally be dealing with
multimedia .......computer graphics......computer
animation..authoring....etc

Thanks

Dennis Mackay
[e-mail]

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I would  like to include multimedia schools IN A LIST OF multimedia
companies and resources Ihave been compiling
within Canada,....so if you belong to one or know of one with it's web
site
please let me know at the address below and I will place a link from my
Multimedia site. These are schools which would generally be dealing with
multimedia .......computer graphics......computer
animation..authoring....etc

Thanks

Dennis Mackay
[e-mail]

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[e-mail] (Mel Matsuoka) wrote:

>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

>On Thu, 11 Apr 1996 23:26:22 -0500, Shadowbird
><[e-mail]> wrote:

>>OK, so I've downloaded gazillions of neat objects and textures and
>cool
>>stuff off the 'net, and now they're sitting on my IBM PC and my
>school A/V
>>lab's Mac in nice tidy LHA archives.
>>
>>I'm running LW 3.x on a Toaster 4000, and Amiga 2000.
>>
>>What do I do now?  How do I get those files ported over?  FTP
>addresses?
>>WWW pages where I can find decent emulators, or let Amigas read
>Mac/PC
>>disks or vice versa?

>Easy...just use your PC to copy the objects onto 720k formatted
>(Double Density...NOT High Density) floppy disks. Or use the
>Macintosh "PC Exchange" extension to do the same. If you are running
>Amiga OS 2.0 or up, you should be able to read the floppies in your
>amiga drive using the builtin Amiga util "CrossDOS". But again, you
>can only read the older Double Density floppydisks (which
>unfortunately are very hard to find nowadays).

>One problem which I am certain you will come across is not being
>able to fit all of a certain object, image or whatnot onto one
>floppy. In this case, you must "split" the archives onto multiple
>floppies. If you own Art Department Professional for your amiga,
>you're all set! ADPro comes with utilities for the Amiga/PC/Mac which
>enables you to split large files on a PC or Mac and them put them
>back together on the Amiga. The programs are called "splitz" and
>"joinz"

>If you dont have ADpro, you can still use any number of PD/Shareware
>file splitting utilities avilable on the net.

>I hope this helps!

Most Amiga's 3000 and up have a high density floppy drive, although
the native software's support for them is a little shaky, there are
several fixer uppers on Aminet, I use HDFixer, it works OK...



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From: [e-mail] (Rick May)
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This whole MAX vs Lightwave thing is just outlandish.


Just look at both pieces of software- make a call to what serves you better
and use it.  sheesh.


A good artist can do wonders with anything.  And as far as Lightwave being
used for so many tv shows- and MAX isnt- just remember the thing (max) has
only been in beta for a little while...


From what I have seen- if you want to do space crap- then get Lightwave.. if
you want to do anything more involved- your probably better off with something
else (note: I didnt say MAX-- I havent tested it out yet)...  If you want to
do logos then 3D Studio is probably just fine.


MAX is totally different to 3D Studio rel 4-- so one shouldnt really compare
the two- it doesnt relate anymore.



rick


Rick May
Independent CG Animator
http://www.cinenet.net/users/rickmay

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From: [e-mail] (Tim Krego)
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On 14 Apr 1996 10:55:01 -0700, Steph Greenberg <[e-mail]>
wrote:
>I also think if Newtek had *smart* businessmen, they'd unbundle parts of
>LW that everyone who uses it loves so much, and make them MAX plugins.
>That way, every sale LW loses to MAX could be a potential customer
>anyway.

What parts of LW would you unbundle? I see LW users argue that 3DS
doesn't come with bones and lensflares.  We already have Bones Pro and
LenZFX that although they are plugins they have MANY more features
than the bones and lensflares in LW.

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From: [e-mail] (Tim Krego)
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On 14 Apr 1996 12:06:01 -0700, Steph Greenberg <[e-mail]>
wrote:
>It is foolish for Newtek not to continue offering *some* discount. They
>need to cut the Amiga base off at the knees so they won't have to dumb
>down the program just so people on antiquated '040 Amigas can continue to
>use the program. The minimum standard machine for doing 3D these days is
>a 90Mhz pentium, which is several times faster than an '040 Amiga.

>While some Amigans have no doubt upgraded to '060s, that number is very
>small. And the PPC Amiga of the future . . . Well, Pentium Pros are way
>faster than the fastest currently available PPC chip as it is. The Amiga
>will simply repeat its pattern of always being behind the latest chip.

And if the rumor of a Mac LW is true they are simply jumping onto
another dying platform. If LW on the Mac looks like LW on any other
platform I wonder how Mac people will take to it? They are the ones
that are big on a easy standard GUI and LW uses its own.

>When Newtek gets *really* serious about the PC, they'll announce the
>final upgrade for the Amiga, and extend a PC upgrade discount (like at
>least $100 below the street price) indefinately. To support two platforms
>with such a wide gap in performance is suicide.

Maybe LW 5.0 will be the last Amiga release. If LW 5.0 uses OpenGL I
wonder if the Amiga version will have all the features.

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On Sun, 14 Apr 1996 18:16:40 -0400, Hammed Malik <[e-mail]>
wrote:
>Ok, I didn't really want to get into this but after seeing so many posts about MAX
>being bug free, I went over to a friends place who has a beta copy of MAX to check
>it out.  His version was dated Jan 18 so it might not be the latest version.  This
>version seemed more like an alpha version than a beta.  Some examples:

Just because you friend has a pirated beta version doesn't mean much.
What version number was it? If he had a real beta he would be under
NDA.

>In about half an hour that I used the program for, it crashed every time I tried to
>do anything other than very simple stuff.  I hope Autodesk has fixed up MAX in the
>three months since they released the version I used.

You are talking about a version that Autodesk has not released to the
public, since obviously it was beta software.

>It really infuriates me, after trying MAX, to see people slamming LW for being
>buggy.  I bought the pre-release PC version after using Amiga versions for few
>years.

Who slammed LW for being buggy? Anyhow MAX will be shipping this week
so you can judge the bugginess of the release version.

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On Sun, 14 Apr 1996 20:58:09 -0400, Bryant Reif
<[e-mail]> wrote:
>> Lightwave's plugins are nowhere near as versetile as 3dsmax's.
>> And, to all those saying lightwave is better than max for space shots I just saw
>> buggy4.jpg and it is better than anything I ever saw done with lightwave. I'm
>> not saying lightwave's bad just that the artist who made this is brilliant.
>
>I just returned from "http://www.torcomp.com/images/buggy4.jpg" and although it is a
>very nice picture, it definitely does not surpass the best lightwave renderings *I*
>have seen.  It's not even close.  This is all a matter of personal opinion, of
>course, but you should really check out more LW renderings.  I also don't see
>anything in that image that couldn't easily be reproduced with LW.

Though I will be using MAX more than LW I agree. That image is not
what I expect from MAX. Check out www.ktx.com for a few pictures done
with MAX that are photorealistic.

>I also wouldn't call it very "photorealistic".  I'm not sure if this was by design,
>or a limitation of 3DS MAX's native renderer.  I hope this is not the ultimate
>expression of 3DS MAX's capabilities.

It isn't a limit of the MAX renderer, it is the artist who did the
picture.

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Subject: Sparks -or- Particle Storm?
Date: Sun, 14 Apr 96 13:43:13 GMT
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 Does anyone have any info on the difference between Sparks(Metrografx) and
Particle Storm(Dynamic Realties) for Lightwave(Intel).

 Is there a Web site from these two companies where I can get some information.
Does anyone recommend any particular plug-in over the other. And why?

Thanks!!

(nonntp.comp.graphics.apps.lightwave)


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On Sun 14-Apr-1996 12:06p, dnelson wrote:
d> I and lots of my LW friends subscribed back in june to Lightspeed, the
d> MONTHLY VIDEO MAGAZINE. Vol #6 should have shipped in January, what
d> gives???
d> Is vol. 6 going to be labeled, Feb.-March-April-May issue?
d> I don't want my money back. I just want my monthly video magazine.

d> Don
-------------
Yah......I've been waiting for mine too. The last tape I got though, said
something about that they were going to skip some or something like that,
because of NAB related stuff.........or something along those lines.
The last issue I recieved was Dec-Jan..........md

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From: [e-mail] (Mark Dunakin)
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BOn Sun 14-Apr-1996  7:31a, jeric wrote:
j> >   [e-mail] (Walter (Jay) Turberville (III)) writes:

j> >  >        Note: this would be dead easy on the Amiga and ADPro.

j> >  I think the problem is that retouching the "seams" requires some
j> judgement or
j> >  some really clever algorithm.  Depending on the nature of the texture,
j> it
j> >  doesn't necessarily take that long.

j>         The feature the poster requested doesn't retouch the seams either:
j> it's
j> just a mirror.  The seams are probably still gonna be visible, but they
j> will
j> MATCH.

j> >
j> >  Walter (Jay) Turberville         |[e-mail]  [e-mail]

j> *************************************************************************
j> *****
j> ** [e-mail]                     |  Synergy Graphix & Animation
j>  **
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--------------------
So far I think your right about this. Basically, it seems like the suggestions
that are being made are great IF you just stay in the program that created the
texture. But the whole thing will still boil down to the fact that a person
would have to screw around in some sort of paint program FOREVER be fore he
gets something that will have the matching seams that LW needs. Take a big
square of grass "like some pictures that I took", and they generally look
pretty good on their own, even without mirroring. But to make them look right
I still will have to go and do a clip off of one side and then rotate it and
flip it and paste it on the other side. PhotoShop does this quite well, but
takes you a very long time.............I guess that when it's all said and
done, I still have more work to do then I think is neccesary....:(
........oh well..............md

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From: [e-mail] (Phillip Finch)
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Bruce Branit <[e-mail]> wrote:

>[e-mail] wrote:

>Talking about seamless image maps in photoshop...

>> To achieve the same effect in Photoshop, wouldn't it be possible to create
>> some sort of batch script?  Maybe a simple mouse recorder thing, although that would
>> lack the query aspects of a true script language.  (Are there any script capable
>> i-p/paint packages available for the lame-o PC?  Winimages?)

>I don't mean to get off on a rant here, but...

>It's not about making things simple. Most things about animation are really about art.
>They are about aesthetics. I'm not intending to come down on anybody but it seems there
>is a lot of...'how do I make things easier?' 'How do I make the computer do things for
>me that I don't feel like doing?' It seems that what is at the heart of good animation
>is an animator nurturing his or her images every step of the way, what-ever it takes,
>paying attention to the details, like rubber stamping seamless maps in photoshop, until
>the imagery meets or surpasses what was in the artist's mind's eye.

So if it's done easily and quickly, it can't be any good, huh?

If nothing else, that perspective certainly would simplify the process
of critical judgement: "This animation sequence required eight hours,
this one required 800 hours, therefore, the second one is clearly one
hundred times better than the first."

But it doesn't happen that way. In fact, because most of us don't have
an unlimited budget of time for any given project, the best work is
often created by those who have found efficient ways to do some things
quickly and painlessly, thereby freeing up time and energy for other
aspects of the work.

Does this apply to a texture map? Depends. If I can get something that
looks right in two minutes by typing the right numbers into a
requester box and pressing a few buttons in Photoshop, I'll do it
without a twinge of guilt that I have somehow compromised my vision.
And, yeah, I'll even use a plugin filter instead of messing around
with channels and an airbrush, if I can get what I want that way.
Because all that matters is the end result. If it's right, it's right,
regardless of how I arrived at it.

Where do you draw the line? Do you reject IK and bones just because
they simplify character animation? (Better watch out--you've got a
machine doing a lot of the hard stuff for you there...) Modelling
individual morph targets by hand, and keyframing every single frame,
is the epitome of "an animator nurturing his or her images every step
of the way, what-ever it takes." Is that how you work? No? Don't tell
me that you sometimes let the computer take care of grunt work that
you don't really feel like doing? Horrors...

An artist ought to expend exactly as much energy as required to get
his work the way he wants it: beyond that threshold, there's no
connection between effort and aesthetics. Making good work look easy,
by learning to efficiently use the tools at hand, is not cheating. And
tedious thrashing isn't necessarily art: sometimes it's just
thrashing.

(BTW, as to the original point--Painter 4.0 has a nice wraparound
seams feature that lets you paint across the edges of an image. You
brush across the left edge, for example, and the excess gets spilled
into the right side of the image. Perfect match. I do this all the
time to create tileable texture maps, sometimes using a cloner brush
to pick up elements out of a photo image. And when you consider that
all of Painter's natural media brushes can be used as cloners, you
have some pretty powerful effects under your stylus if you know what
buttons to push. I know, this is *way* too easy for some people...)







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From: [e-mail] (Phillip Finch)
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[e-mail] wrote:

>On 4/14/96 5:01PM, in message <[e-mail]>, Steve
><[e-mail]> wrote:

>>  I just
>> saw
>> buggy4.jpg and it is better than anything I ever saw done with lightwave. I'm
>> not saying lightwave's bad just that the artist who made this is brilliant.
>>
>> -Steve

>So where is this buggy4.jpg I'd be VERY interested in seeing it.

www.torcomp.com/3dmax.htm

And while you're at it, check out "bluebay" just below it. Nice work.

In six months, volumetric lighting and atmospheric fog will probably
be to 3DS Max as lens flares are/were to LW. But for the time being,
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On 4/14/96 5:22PM, in message <[e-mail]>, Elder Dragon
<[e-mail]> wrote:

> [e-mail] wrote:
>
> > So where is this buggy4.jpg I'd be VERY interested in seeing it.  (I'm
> assuming that's not it above)
> > --
> >                       -=Fred=-
>
> Goto www.torcomp.com/3dmax.htm for the buggy shot and other cool shots,
> all done without plugins.


Thanks.  I checked it out.  Very nice (but I question such a low-riding vehicle
on terrain like that).  I have only two minor problems with it:
1. The body looks kind of like it's made of cement because of all the pockmarks
and lack of reflectivity/specularity.
2. The lines drawn onto the scanned imagemap of the ground look odd.

Besides that though, very nice indeed.

And now, here are a couple of good Lightwave renders:
http://www.foxnetwork.com/Prime/FoxFaves/Space/Intelligence/Downloads/Archives1.
html

Take a look at pictures 1,2, and 5.
--
                      -=Fred=-


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On 4/14/96 8:49PM, in message <4ksg77$[e-mail]>, Phillip Finch
<[e-mail]> wrote:

> In six months, volumetric lighting and atmospheric fog will probably
> be to 3DS Max as lens flares are/were to LW. But for the time being,
> this really has a lot of impact.
>

Funny!  And I agree.  If I see one more lens flare where it isn't necessary...

By the way, I think I like some things about BlueBay better than Buggy4.  Both
were nice though (though nothing that LW couldn't do years ago).
--
                      -=Fred=-


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From: [e-mail](William Teegarden)
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 ----->Anyway my point wasn't that other programs suck, it's just that
>3DS far from sucks and is used widely for TV and film in contrast to
what most people
>think. No it isn't used for a wekkly series, but I don't see and
weekly series using
>Wavefront either, and the only one I can think of that uses Softimage
is reboot. Does
>this mean that they are bad programs?<------



The reason these other programs aren't used for a weekly series is
because it's not cost effective to create content with them.  Alias,
Wavefront, or even SoftImage NT are still a little too pricey in both
software and hardware requierments to be viable options for series TV.

LightWave has the correct performance to price ratio for such projects,
hence the reason it's used so extensivley.

BTW, how's that water render coming Jeff? ;)

GT



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Hello fellow lightwavers. if you get that chance (time
permitting) please stop by my webpage and tell me what you think. though
it is not really done yet I would like some creative feedback before I
finish. Area's of special note are the image gallery and mech2. Please
only do this if your at work and your boss doesn't like you useing the
internet for fun...
PS the pages are best viewed with netscape 2.0 at 800x600 64K color..
Marco Sederquist
[e-mail]

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Hello fellow lightwavers. if you get that chance (time permitting) please
stop by my webpage and tell me what you think. though it is not really
done yet I would like some creative feedback before I finish. Area's of
special note are the image gallery and mech2. Please only do this if your
at work and your boss doesn't like you useing the internet for fun...

PS.. the pages are best viewed with netscape 2.0 at 800x600 64K color..
Marco Sederquist
[e-mail]
pss..http://www.polaris.net/~marco/

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> And I didn't know Steven Speilberg was an expert in animation.

    Who is Steven "Speilburg"?  Seriously, I think he knows what he's
doing.  Or wasn't Jurassic Park enough for you?

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[e-mail] (Rikard Bosnjakovic) wrote:
>Where the h*ck can I find plugins for saving animations directly to AVI,
>instead of saving them as TGA's and join to AVI?
>
>
>Rikard Bosnjakovic - N3 Power! ([e-mail])
>
>.. It's been Monday aaaaaaaaallllllll week!
>
>
>
Try the NTAvi-plugin found on your lightwave cdrom path plugins/modeler.

Per Swantesson



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Hello, I'm a student in the market for a "real" 3D modelling package. By real
I mean high-end and professional. I've sent mail to NewTek trying to get more
information about thier Lightwave for the PC, but they have been slow in getting
back to me, so I thought I'd try here.

From what I understand Lightwave 5.0 is being released this week at a
convention. Is this true? or will it be a few more months before 5.0 gets to
the shelves? Also for whatever version of Lightwave is out and current, does
NewTek offer a discount to students who are buying thier product?

Does or will Lightwave 5.0 have a better interface than 4.0? Does it run under
Windows 3.11 (either one of them) or DOS? Does anyone have screenshots of
either version they could post or e-mail to me? I've seen either demo versions
or a large number of screen shots for the other programs I've been considering
but the NewTek home page has only one rather small screen shot of a wireframe
fish (I think it was a fish anyhow). I'd really like to at least SEE some of
the program before I buy it. I've heard people say it's interface is impossible
and others say it's the best thing they've ever seen. I guess most especially,
is there a demo version around of any version that I could check out?

Thanks for putting up with a lot of newbie questions.

Mark Slater
[e-mail]



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In article <4kmfmi$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] ([e-mail]) writes:

>       Wasn't a slam at you for not providing the pages:  just a reminder that
>dead simple questions like that are the possible spoor of the scum-sucking pirate.
>

Of course, non scum-sucking pirates have much better digestive
systems and leave no recogniseable spoor. "They shit don't stink,
bwana." I seeya...


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>Say does anyone know how you make that star field that is shaped like a big
>ball. I can make a ball of dots that is solid, but I don't see how they made
>a ball of dots that is hollow.........If some one knows how this was done I'd
>appreciate knowing what the scoop is. And if I figure it out I'll tell about
>it..........md

You could make a giant sphere with a ba-zillion segments and sides. Then cut
the polys away (k), and save the points as single-point polys. If you're using
an Amiga, you could use the points2polys or points2particles Arexx macros.
Repeat a few times, varying the size of (and the number of points in) the spheres.
Rotate the spheres, randomly. You sould have an empty, hollow void in the middle.

 God bless you!
(and your Amiga)
-Kip

PS: If you don't have an Amiga, then God bless you, anyway! ;)


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Rebecca Metcalf (ART) wrote:
Use the TEXT tool in the options plugin pull down in the modeler
Don...




>
> On Tue, 9 Apr 1996, Peter Hartman wrote:
> Have you tried drawing out your letters and extruding (under "multiply"
> menu) them in modeler?  That's what I do for all my 3D letters...
> I hope this helps
> Rebecca ([e-mail])
>
>  > Hi, there
> >
> > I know this sounds silly but I have a tiny question:
> >
> > How can i create 3d-text in the modeler....???????? It seems to me i can
> only create 2d-text. Is this correct?
> >
> > Please help me
> >
> > [e-mail]
> >
> >

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PHOENIX9 wrote:
>
> Hello, I'm a student in the market for a "real" 3D modelling package. By real
> I mean high-end and professional. I've sent mail to NewTek trying to get more
> information about thier Lightwave for the PC, but they have been slow in getting
> back to me, so I thought I'd try here.

ok

> From what I understand Lightwave 5.0 is being released this week at a
> convention. Is this true? or will it be a few more months before 5.0 gets to
> the shelves? Also for whatever version of Lightwave is out and current, does
> NewTek offer a discount to students who are buying thier product?

It is romoured that LW 5.0 will be at least unveiled this week.  I have no idea
about release dates.  NewTek is being real hush-hush this time.  4.0revC is the
most current release, but they don't offer discounts to individual students.  Your
school, however, can purchase multiple LW copies at a discount.

> Does or will Lightwave 5.0 have a better interface than 4.0? Does it run under
> Windows 3.11 (either one of them) or DOS? Does anyone have screenshots of
> either version they could post or e-mail to me? I've seen either demo versions
> or a large number of screen shots for the other programs I've been considering
> but the NewTek home page has only one rather small screen shot of a wireframe
> fish (I think it was a fish anyhow). I'd really like to at least SEE some of
> the program before I buy it. I've heard people say it's interface is impossible
> and others say it's the best thing they've ever seen. I guess most especially,
> is there a demo version around of any version that I could check out?

Lightwave's interface gets more and more functional with every new release, so I
would assume yes.  LW4.0 is a 32-bit app so it will run on Win3.11 w/ win32s but
not DOS.  If you would like to see what LW can do "just turn on your TV!".  No,
seriously Space: Above and Beyond and Babylon 5 are two examples of TV shows using
LW.  Maybe someone here can post some URLs with pix, but I can't think of any off
the top of my head.  As for the interface, I think it is very good.  Things like
this are so subjective, however.  No demo version, but if you know someone with a
Toaster, you could see if you could use the version that came with it.  That is how
I started with LW.

> Thanks for putting up with a lot of newbie questions.

No problem.

> Mark Slater
> [e-mail]

--

Bryant Reif
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Some info found in the SGI NAB page:

"LightWave 3D - An all in one animation, rendering, and modeling package.
Lightwave supports realtime shading with OpenGL with NURBS modeling with
MetaNurbs. Lightwave 3D effects can be seen on Star Trek, Space Above and
Beyond, the Blue M&M commercials, and many other shows. "

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> Not at all.  I've done some of the worst animation ever seen on the TV screens
> of the world.  I've also done some good things.  My point wasn't about me, it
> was about Lightwave.  I meant that if "A" movies are willing to use it over MAX
> there must be *something* to it.

What "A" movies have used it for animation? Lord of Illusions was a big of a flop
in the theatres as was Johnny Mnemonic. Most companies still use in-house tools
just as much if not more than commercial tools. Even for Johnny Mnemonic they had
to write custom plug-ins to handle the cast depth of the cyberspace sequences.
Some big changes have occured to MAX to get it away from it's old stigma and make
it a better tool for the film/TV market. The tools used to match live action to
animation look incredible. it is better just to check out www.ktx.com to see for
yourself, make sure you have a JAVA compatible browser to get the full effect.

> One thing I must say again though in regard to
> which program has a better toolbook is that in the entire 2 1/2 seasons of
> seaQuest, all the Lightwave in ST:Voyager, 2 seasons of Hercules, 3(?) seasons
> of B5, and most of the current season of Space--well, actually EVERYTHING done
> with Lightwave up until around November '95 was done without one single plugin.
>  For many things plugins would have been nice, but the work _could_ be done
> without them.

I'll agree that LW 4.0 has more in the base package than 3DSr4. But that is
somthing I always liked about 3DS was that you could pick and choose from a
group of companies as to which features you wanted to have from whom. Right
now I think there are like 3 or 4 metaball modelers for 3DS. It is nice to have
that choice to pick the one that suites your needs. There are about a zillion
(ok maybe not that many) makers of particle plug-ins for 3DS, and many of them
do all sorts of different particle effects. MAX will have a lot thrown in,
including particles, and I'm sure LW 5.0 will match that and MAX 2.0 will
meet that challenge and back and forth. The nice thing about plug-ins is that
your package can expand without having to upgrade all the time. NewTek realized
this when they added plug-in support to LW.

Jeff

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From: Jeff Jasper <[e-mail]>
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> > And I didn't know Steven Speilberg was an expert in animation.
>
>         Who is Steven "Speilburg"?  Seriously, I think he knows what he's
> doing.  Or wasn't Jurassic Park enough for you?

Reply sent e-mail since this is getting silly and WAY off topic.

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Matt McClanahan wrote:
>
> Henri Smulders <[e-mail]> wrote: Don't get a Pentiu, 120; get a 75 and clock it up to 150 (or at least 100; 150 is very
>only succeeded once reliably; but I always try ;-)). I have clocked up p5-75 all the way to 150 without problems(That ONE was exceptional though!) . I'm currently running off of a P5-75 running RELIABLY at 100
Mhz.
> Then of course, there were a couple cases of clocking a p75 to p100+
> and getting unfrotunate results:)  Lesse, one melted through his case,
> singing the rug (And making quite a mess of liquid transistors) and
> one just internally fused and died :)  But hey, it's worth the speed,
> right? ;)
> Matt

    I don't know who told you that story; but it is bull! The way Intel processes it's chips is by first
testing them at the highest clock-rates. If the chip proves to work reliably it goes on the 166 (or is it
180 now?) heap if it doesmn't it gets tested at a lower speed. So Upclocking does just what Intel itself
does. Their yields are currently such that more than 90% of the recent chips run reliably at 120 Mhz. This
means that a current 75 chip has a more than 90% chance of being up-clocked. When a chip does not run
reliably at higher clock-speeds you just get a machine that crashes randomly. I've gotten Doo-Doo on my
harddisks because of the crashes; However it never physically damaged any computer part of mine. I am not
rich enough to screw around with stuff that could damage my PC; That would not be worth the speed. Since it
is not a money question; but more of a hassle question it is worth it.

Hajo

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hi, I just bought this CD that contains ton of lightwave objects. Only
problem is that I do not have Lightwave and do not intend to get a copy
of it. I was wondering if there was any freeware/shareware or another
graphics application on DOS/Windows 95/3.1/NT that can be used to view
the lightwave objects?

Much thanks,
Daniel.

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From: Jeff Jasper <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: MAX or Lightwave? How about some MAX here folks.
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 12:41:56 -0400
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> The reason these other programs aren't used for a weekly series is
> because it's not cost effective to create content with them.  Alias,
> Wavefront, or even SoftImage NT are still a little too pricey in both
> software and hardware requierments to be viable options for series TV.
>
> LightWave has the correct performance to price ratio for such projects,
> hence the reason it's used so extensivley.
>
> BTW, how's that water render coming Jeff? ;)

True very true, I forget the name of the house, but the creators of reboot
seem to be doing a really good job of it. I am hoping a lot of people picked
up Softimage NT during the special deal when it was being sold as bundles.
It's really a nice program, and would bring a lot to the weekly TV market.
I think Kenetix is also really trying to promote this way with MAX too.

HAHAHAHA, I haven't tried doing any more water in a while. Busy working on a
desig  project with Apple and have not had time to play with 3DS :(  I think
I may do a little animated promotional piece for my design project and throw
in some water for you :)

Jeff

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From: Jeff Jasper <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: MAX or Lightwave? How about some MAX here folks.
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 12:55:35 -0400
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Phillip Finch wrote:
>
> [e-mail] wrote:
>
> >On 4/14/96 5:01PM, in message <[e-mail]>, Steve
> ><[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> >>  I just
> >> saw
> >> buggy4.jpg and it is better than anything I ever saw done with lightwave. I'm
> >> not saying lightwave's bad just that the artist who made this is brilliant.
> >>
> >> -Steve
>
> >So where is this buggy4.jpg I'd be VERY interested in seeing it.
>
> www.torcomp.com/3dmax.htm
>
> And while you're at it, check out "bluebay" just below it. Nice work.
>
> In six months, volumetric lighting and atmospheric fog will probably
> be to 3DS Max as lens flares are/were to LW. But for the time being,
> this really has a lot of impact.

I suggest everyone check out http:\\www.ktx.com
in the gallery they have MUCH nicer renderings than what is available
here.

Jeff

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From: Jeff Jasper <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: MAX or Lightwave? How about some MAX here folks.
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> Well, all the axp's and sxp's from yost disks 1&2 come with it. that's $600
> worth of software for $500 upgrade.
> Second it allows people to make their own plugins for 3ds max.
> If some wiz-kid comes along and makes a great radiosity rendering engine, with
> raytracing etc. then ha can. Programing specs apparantely come with max.

Note to, from how Kenetix is talking, the renderer that ships with it will only
be the first of a few renderers that they create for MAX. I expect that they will
have out a raytrace renderer or a shaders based renderer for it soon after it ships.
Also check out character studio plug-in for MAX. This should get MAX up to speed
in competing with high end character animation tools that are available for
Softimage and PA.

Jeff

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> Lightwave's plugins are nowhere near as versetile as 3dsmax's.
> And, to all those saying lightwave is better than max for space shots I just saw
> buggy4.jpg and it is better than anything I ever saw done with lightwave. I'm
> not saying lightwave's bad just that the artist who made this is brilliant.

check out www.ktx.com. They have some other MAX renderings that are much nicer
than the buggy one.

Jeff

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Subject: Virtual Gallery:Sumbit Artwork!
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 13:22:59 -0500
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At the 40 Degrees North Virtual Gallery we are accepting cutting edge
graphics to include in our Gallery. The work can be Photoshop/painter etc,
3D, Shockwave, or Java. There is no fee for either side, this gallery is to
provide a source to view new and fresh ideas and cutting edge techniques.
The site has already begun to be promoted. Once the content is large enough,
a full ad campaign will begin. This  gives you an environment where
thousands of people will see your work.
please feel free to email with questions, ideas, or submissions.
http://vassun.vassar.edu/~alwei/gallery.htm

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From: [e-mail] (InstntGuts)
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Date: 15 Apr 1996 13:40:20 -0400
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Reviewing a beta copy of MAX that's dated "January 18" is like Car and
Driver reviewing an automobile by looking at a chassis, sans engine and
body panels. (And where did your friend get such an early beta, and if he
was part of the beta program, why didn't he have a more recent version?)

The latest version of 3D Studio MAX is one of the most stable R1 programs
I've seen.

-- Jon

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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: FS: Alpha Workstation has to GO :(
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 96 14:05:47 +500
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Hi all,
    Sorry to waste bandwidth. I posted this about 6 weeks back, and
since then two separate deals have come close and then fallen through.
    To summarize, my family is now expecting a new member, so I've got
to give up my beloved Alpha. It's a lower end machine, but perfect for the
hobbyist who wants a little more bang/buck.
    Since the new arrival is getting closer, I've lowered my asking
price and I'm also willing to bundle my Alpha Lightwave 4.0.
    To save bandwidth I will only respond to email. Please drop me a
line for full system specs.
    Thanks.
Zach
[e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Christopher Stewart)
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Subject: Re: Bones and human models...
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Jason Cahill ([e-mail]) wrote:
>I just recently purchased Fractal Design Poser (which I highly
>reccomend) for generating human models that I can use in
>Lightwave.  Does anybody know how to create a bones heirarchy
>(parent / child) so that as I move the bones my model doesn't
>look like an accident victum?
>
>How do I create two child bones off(left & right legs) to link
>with a parent torso bone?  If anyone has used bones on a human
>model successfully, could you list your bones heirarchy (preferably
>with motion limits)?  Thanks!
>
>Jason M. Cahill

     Check out the website in the tagline below. It's just a link to the
present address of the site (but set your bookmark there as it will be
moving, and finally getting the search engine upgrade ;-). Just do a search
for "bones" when you get there.

Christopher


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Subject: Re: Streak Lighting Effect on Logos
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Todd LeMoine ([e-mail]) wrote:
>I was wondering if anyone could tell me how to create the "logo
>emitting streaks of light effect".. where basically you have the logo
>with what would look like an extremely bright spotlight coming from
>behind it in a smokey room... but I don't want just the spotlight cone
>in a smokey room look.. I'm trying to get the bright streaks of light
>to come out from behind and through the holes in the logo.. I think
>you have probably all seen the effect I am trying to describe.. I just
>can't manage to get the streaks of light to appear as they should..
>hopefully this makes some sense.. any help is greatly appreciated.
>
>Todd LeMoine

     Inverse volumetric lighting. Kind of like a Star Trek shuttle craft
flying out of a sun? Yea, It's possible. You have to select the outside
points of the object based on the angle your light is placed at. create a
polygon based on these points and extrude in the desired direction. Make
this surface transparent and play with the colour until you get what you're
after. Here's the surface I've got on a logo flying out of the sun. I mean
the "beam" part.

colour: 9 10 20
Lum: 100
Diff: 0
Spec: 0
Refl: 0
Transp: Grid mapped with falloff to end. Value 75%, Thickness 1, I used a
        falloff of 10 on the z axis but your mileage will vary on this one.

Smoothing: on
Edge Transparency: on with a 2.5% threshold.


This should get you started, just play with it awhile with a damn big
lensflare in the background. It works....

Christopher



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I would appreciate some honest feedback about how Lightwave 3D
compares to other 3D packages available today....i.e. ease of use,
quality of rendering, general features, etc..  Is it worth the extra
cost for my applications?  Religion aside, would you buy it again?

I run a Pentium-based system under Win95/NT3.51 and use various
3D graphics packages as "tools" to create custom graphics for
clients...mostly static images to be used on Web sites and in print
advertising.   I mostly use trueSpace2, Visual Reality, and Extreme 3D
in conjunction with Photoshop, CorelDRAW, Freehand, Illustrator, and
Painter 4.  I don't expect to do much animation in the near future, I just
want to maximize the quality of my creations.  High-quality and easy
to use modeling tools are very important as well as an excellent
rendering engine.

I haven't used Lightwave and would appreciate any thoughts before I
spend a bunch of money.  NewTek told me today that Lightwave 5.0
would be relased this week (for PC) and would cost $1495.  Wasn't
4.0 just released??   Why a new version only weeks after the release
of the previous versions?  Problems?

Comments?  Suggestions?  Post or send email.  Thanks.


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On Sun 14-Apr-1996  3:22p, Anthony Caviello wrote:
AC> [e-mail] (Dan Zimmerman) wrote:


AC> Where I work we beta tested several editing programs for
AC> perception/NT, including.  My preference was for a program called
AC> Video Action NT.  I think it has a superior interface, that's more
AC> editer friendly.  And the interface has a better lay out, a  much
AC> simpler cleaner design.

----------------
Do you know where I can go to get more info on this product, i.e. a web site
or something?...........thanx............md

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On Sun 14-Apr-1996 11:17a, InstntGuts wrote:
I>         <Fine, as long as we don't have to hear about it HERE!  >8^)>

I> Agreed; let's kill these multi-thread postings. I can understand people
I> wanting comparisons between programs, before they make a large investment,
I> but starting these "X is better than Y" threads just p*sses off both
I> camps, and that's no fun.

I> If people want comparisons, they should send separate postings asking for
I> specific info on the particular software, and then INSIST that people
I> respond with private email.

I> -- Jon
-----------------
HaHaHaHa...Yah right! Like anyone would EVER do something that makes as much
sense as that....I'm sorry if I just had to bust out laughin, but this whole
news group is just FULL of all these type of people who insist on going on and
on and on about how thier program is better than someone elses program. I
personally am SICK of spending ALL my time having to read messages, just to
see that it's another stupid "mine's better then yours" subject. I think that
just today, I have only seen about maybe a half a dozen or so REAL LW related
topics. MOST! And I mean MOST of the messages now a days are all this crap
about 3Dmax and every other program on the face of the Earth. Who cares???
They all do something good and/or better then eachother. I think that I am
waering out the return button on my machine from having to hit it with So much
frequency............md

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On Sun 14-Apr-1996  5:25a, Brenden Mecleary  wrote:
B> In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Mark
B> Dunakin) writes:
B> >
B> >Say does anyone know how you make that star field that is shaped like
B> >a big ball. I can make a ball of dots that is solid, but I don't see
B> >how they made a ball of dots that is hollow.........If some one knows
B> >how this was done I'd appreciate knowing what the scoop is. And if I
B> >figure it out I'll tell about
B> >it..........md

B> 1) Make a single point, then make that into a polygon. (a particle)

B> 2) Clone the particle to the desired # of stars for the entire panorama

B> 3) Run the jitter function on the particles (which should still LOOK
B> like one)

B> 4) Run the spherize macro on the scattered particles

B> 5) Surface and enjoy!
---------------
B> I realize that was a bit vague.  If you need a more detailed
B> description, let me know...

B>                                               Brenden Mecleary
B>                                               [e-mail]

thanx, I'll give it a try..........md

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From: Steph Greenberg <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.animation,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave,comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio
Subject: Re: MAX or Lightwave? How about some MAX here folks.
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[e-mail] wrote:
: On 4/14/96 10:55AM, in message <4kre5l$[e-mail]>, Steph
: Greenberg <[e-mail]> wrote:
: > impression that LW isn't professional. Outdated interface, lack of
: > certain features which are becomming standard, stubborn fanatical
: > adherence to polygons in the face of a patch or NURBS world; those are
: > the cues that put LW a notch down from MAX and SI.

: All I have to say about this is that if you haven't seen LW5 and don't know its
: features, DON'T compare LW4 to MAX.  That would be about as fair as comparing
: LW5 to 3DS4; should I do that?  Anyway, in what way is the interface outdated?
: Since when can something that is ergonomic get outdated?

And you think modeling in one program and animating in another is ergonomic.
Sure you can deal with it, but ergonomic? I think not.

As far as comparing LW4 to MAX. Autodesk previewed MAX for us, and then
installed a copy for evaluation on our NT machine (we paid for it).
We have 3 Lightwave users at our company, and we were not able to do the
same with LW5. In fact, we weren't told LW5 exists, and this is with good
contacts within Newtek.

Until the day LW5 can be had for evaluation, it is less available than MAX.
On May 1st, earlier actually, MAX will be officially available over the
counter. Then what excuse will you use?

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From: Hugues Aubuchon <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: help me : AVI saving.......
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domenico marino wrote:
>
> please help me......
> Lightwave 4.0 c (an original copy......) can't save animations in AVI
> format.....
> I can't resolve this problem.......
> I have posted this question to NEWTEK but nothing......
> My configuration is :
> PC Pentium 133  32 Mb ram
> 4 Gb HD Barracuda
> 1.2 Gb HD Quantum
> Fast F/p 60
> Windows 95.....
> Is there this problem in a Windows NT configuration ?
> please help me....
>
> P.S. excuse me for my englis... is terrible...
>
> Marino Domenico
> e-mail :[e-mail] had the same problem also. When lightwave installs, it overwrites some
of the .dll (like avifil32.dll). Check this file and all othe AVI
related drivers in your windows/system directory by right-clicking the
file, going into property clicking the VERSION tab to see if you have
the NT or win95 version.

When I replaced this file with the original from win95 , it started to
work

Note, it only works with avi32 format not the avi16.

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From: [e-mail] (Mark Dunakin)
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On Sun 14-Apr-1996 11:55p, Kip Pesuti wrote:
KP> >Say does anyone know how you make that star field that is shaped like a
KP> big
KP> >ball. I can make a ball of dots that is solid, but I don't see how they
KP> made
KP> >a ball of dots that is hollow.........If some one knows how this was done
KP> I'd
KP> >appreciate knowing what the scoop is. And if I figure it out I'll tell
KP> about
KP> >it..........md

KP> You could make a giant sphere with a ba-zillion segments and sides. Then
KP> cut
KP> the polys away (k), and save the points as single-point polys. If you're
KP> using
KP> an Amiga, you could use the points2polys or points2particles Arexx macros.
KP> Repeat a few times, varying the size of (and the number of points in) the
KP> spheres.
KP> Rotate the spheres, randomly. You sould have an empty, hollow void in the
KP> middle.

KP>  God bless you!
KP> (and your Amiga)
KP> -Kip

KP> PS: If you don't have an Amiga, then God bless you, anyway! ;)
--------------
Thanx, this sounds pretty good. I had actually thought of this too. I just
wasn't sure about which way to do things..........md

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I have a little problem. I am making a telefon receiver in lightwave
modeler and a have made it from a box then i have use boolean first one from
the front and then one from the top. It is perfect but now i want soft corners
too. I have tried metamorf and soft but it is not helping much and i have
tried more booleans but it is a hard way to work. can somebody tell me
a better way.

please send a e-mail to

[e-mail]

Thanx in advance


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From: [e-mail] (Tim Krego)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.animation,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave,comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio
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On Sun, 14 Apr 96 23:44:40 GMT, [e-mail] wrote:
>So where is this buggy4.jpg I'd be VERY interested in seeing it.  (I'm assuming
>that's not it above)

Don't bother. Buggy4.jpg is nothing special and doesn't show the true
quality of MAX. I've seen much more realistic renders from LW, 3DS,
and MAX.

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From: [e-mail] (Chewie8625)
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Subject: lha to lwo?
Date: 15 Apr 1996 16:32:51 -0400
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Hi, this is probably a really newbie question, but I came across a lha
object that I want to take a look at and I am assuming that this is the
old naming structure from the Amiga. My question is, is there a utility to
convert it to a lwo or some other such object that can be read by LW
intel? Thanks
-Emile Edwin Smith
-An about to graduate student in Visual Arts
-Need a janitor?

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Subject: lha to lwo?
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Pardon my ignorance, I figured it out on my own 2 minutes after I posted
the question.
-Emile Edwin Smith
-An about to graduate student in Visual Arts
-Need a janitor?

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From: [e-mail] (John Foust)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
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Date: 15 Apr 1996 19:29:25 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] says...
>
>Before everyone starts flaming my subject line, hear me out.  I am a
>legitimate user and OWNER of NewTek's Lightwave 4.0C for Windows (and
>I have a valid Serial Number on my Dongle too).  This morning, however,
>my dongle died (AND THIS IS THE SECOND TIME GOD DAMMIT).  I am sick of
>this bullshit.  I spent $800 on a product that self-destructs, and also
>prohibits me from using my printer.

Maybe put the dongle on a second parallel port, I'd guess
that your printer is killing the dongle.   Buy a $30-or-less
add-on serial/parallel board.

- John


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From: [e-mail] (John Foust)
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In article <4kp1fg$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>Since this newsgroup has gone from alt.newtek.bash.bash.bash to
>alt.3DStudioMax.vs.Lightwave, I figured it'd be a good time to repost this
>newsgroup's charter in hopes we can stop the insanity and massive cross-posts
>on topics not relating to LightWave3D.

Stop the Insanity?  Susan Powter, please call your office.

Or maybe we should fragment into any one of the following newsgroups:

    alt.stranahan
    alt.newtek.vs.play
    alt.newtek.recovery
    alt.religion.3d

- John


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I have a question.  We need to do an animation that consists of animating liquids.  Is there a special
program/plug-in, or is there a tip someone can give me?

Thanks a lot.

Matt Crystal
[e-mail]

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Hi everybody,

    My New Homepage is up:

http://www.isisnet.com/field/Profile.html

note that 'P' is capitalized. The pages contain not only some
Lightwave stills, but also photos, drawings, video stills, and cg
paint.

    Please feel free to drop by and comment.

        Cheers,

            Ken Mayfield.

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From: [e-mail] (Jeffery S. Jones)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave,comp.graphics.packages.lightwave,comp.graphics.misc,comp.graphics
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On 15-Apr-96 18:06:49, Sandy Meltzer <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I would appreciate some honest feedback about how Lightwave 3D
>compares to other 3D packages available today....i.e. ease of use,
>quality of rendering, general features, etc..  Is it worth the extra
>cost for my applications?  Religion aside, would you buy it again?

  It might depend on your applications, but I use it for video animations,
production for local TV/ads/etc., and would absolutely buy it again.  It is
easy to use, produces great results, has tons of features, etc.

>I run a Pentium-based system under Win95/NT3.51 and use various
>3D graphics packages as "tools" to create custom graphics for
>clients...mostly static images to be used on Web sites and in print
>advertising.   I mostly use trueSpace2, Visual Reality, and Extreme 3D
>in conjunction with Photoshop, CorelDRAW, Freehand, Illustrator, and
>Painter 4.  I don't expect to do much animation in the near future, I just
>want to maximize the quality of my creations.  High-quality and easy
>to use modeling tools are very important as well as an excellent
>rendering engine.

  Lightwave should do very well in all of these areas.  It is designed for
animation work, but animation is a series of still pictures :)

>I haven't used Lightwave and would appreciate any thoughts before I
>spend a bunch of money.  NewTek told me today that Lightwave 5.0
>would be relased this week (for PC) and would cost $1495.  Wasn't
>4.0 just released??   Why a new version only weeks after the release
>of the previous versions?  Problems?

  Version 4.0 is the first NT version, and is primarily simply a port of version
3.5 Amiga.  New features weren't the big issue in 4.0, reliable conversion was.
5.0 can be released so quickly because development on features didn't stop
during the conversion process.


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I always wonder if a dual CPU computer with a 3D
OpenGL graphic acc. card will actually speed up the
performance of LW. Much straight forward, I wonder
if LW support multiple CPUs PC and OpenGL (probably
not for this one) or other 3D APIs.

I ask this 'cuz I am considering upgrade one of my
computers (or even buy a new one instead of
upgrading). Thanks.


LSam
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Subject: LW snubbed again!
Date: 15 Apr 1996 22:56:06 GMT
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Once again, in the latest PC Computing magazine,
Lightwave is totally ignored.

The article covers the "best" 3D software/hardware for
beginners to experts.  Of course it lists everything
from the $50 Simply 3D to the $8000 WinNT Softimage.

But NO MENTION of LW!!

Maybe Newtek should release LW under a diff. name, I mean,
c'mon - LW is seen everywhere on TV...not good enough?


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From: [e-mail] (Mike Michalowicz)
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Bandwidth placeholder, just thought I'd add some more FUD to this discussion.
Every OS has its pros and cons, stop dwelling.  Grow up:

"My tool is bigger than yours", hey no no, "Mine is bigger"
Casual users will use casual products designed and marketed for casual users.
People who need stability use stable products indicated as such and become
comfortable with them.

I am comfortable with OS/2, hey some OS/2 apps are horrible, some are the most
robust pieces of software I have ever seen.
I have yet to be impressed by a Microsoft application.  Yes they own the
market.
Unfair business practices?  Maybe.  IBM's stupidity: yes.

Boy isn't this a waste of bandwidth.
(This message seen in its entirety due to the lack of any GPF's or modal
dialogs
 telling me I don't ".. have enough memory to complete operation.")

Mike Michalowicz
Lucent Technologies
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in the begining there was [e-mail]. And he did writeth:

>LucasArts uses DeluxePaint which is a cheap little 2D program (about $100).
>They've used it on the best-selling Dark Forces game.  So there.  Besides, if
>the Sega folks are fooled by the Alias hype that's their misfortune.

Also, the 3ds models for RA2 will, apparently, be used by ILM. I seriously doubt
ILM will render them on 3ds, but it shows that it's not the tool, it's what you
do with it. RA2 looks cool.
I prefer animator pro to animator studio- better interface.

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try displacement mapping on a big plane with a lot of surfaces and in
addition bump mapin for the little irregularities (both ripple or an
animated brush), turn specular on and put a light  in the direction the
camera looks, at the same highth. make the plane half transparent

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From: Greg Parr <[e-mail]>
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[e-mail] (Chris Blanos) wrote:
>
>I'm looking at adding a PVR card to my current system in order to get
>Lightwave animations to tape. I have a P120, 24 megs ram, Win95,
>SoundBlaster 32AWE sound card, Adobe Premiere and soon a 4.3 gig
>Seagate SCSI drive. A few questions:
>
>1. I know the PVR software works best with NT, but I can't move up to
>it yet. I saw that DPS has PVR software in a Win95 directory on their
>ftp site. Anyone know how well it works?
>

Have run PVR in Win95 for 5 months now with no problems

>2. Will 24 megs of ram be enough? (Of course more is better, but I
>gotta start here).

32 min is what I hear

>
>3. How well do the AWE32 and Premiere work with the PVR? Anyone have a
>similar setup?
>

Run the AWE32 with no problems





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From: [e-mail] (Jeff Holinski)
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It's been almost exactly 1 year since I bought my pre-release copy of LW 4.0
for the PC. At the time it didn't save AVI's.
Now I'm up to rev D of the final version and it still doesn't save AVI's
reliably. (yes, I know all the tricks to kludge it into sort of working)

Perhaps someone who gets a chance to check out 5.0 at NAB could report on if
Newtek's finally gotten around to fixing this rather basic feature and report
back here.
I'm sure I'm not the only one who's curious.


Jeff H...


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From: [e-mail] (Stranahan)
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Okay, NewTek announced 5.0 - and they are taking orders. (They actually
have a phone booth in the booth to call in orders - it's cute, actually)
It has Open GL support in layout and modeler, better IK, and (BIG deal)
multiple surfaces - you can layer and layer producedural or image mapping.
The interface has a number of improvements, too....

LightWave has changed prices - all platforms now have one price. (Wacky
idea - kinda like we ANNOUNCED, before people started playing games...but
I digress....but I do often....) That price is $1495 - so Intel went up,
Alpha and SGI went down. Upgrades price seems to be $495 - not exaclty a
deal...but NewTek is going broke and this IS a must-have upgrade - the
intial user base will pay, of course...

There is a Mac in the booth, but it's not doing anything and NewTek seems
to only be saying - 'wait until Tuesday'

There's more, but I wanted to get some info up...


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From: [e-mail] (Stephen Bowie)
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Mark Dunakin ([e-mail]) wrote:
: On Sun 14-Apr-1996 12:06p, dnelson wrote:
: d> I and lots of my LW friends subscribed back in june to Lightspeed, the
: d> MONTHLY VIDEO MAGAZINE. Vol #6 should have shipped in January, what
: d> gives???
: d> Is vol. 6 going to be labeled, Feb.-March-April-May issue?
: d> I don't want my money back. I just want my monthly video magazine.

: d> Don
: -------------
: Yah......I've been waiting for mine too. The last tape I got though, said
: something about that they were going to skip some or something like that,
: because of NAB related stuff.........or something along those lines.
: The last issue I recieved was Dec-Jan..........md


I imagine Manny will respond to this, but suffice to say some adjustments
have had to be made in the scheduling of the issues, and all will be
well soon....last I heard we could expect something toward month end.
--
    Steve Bowie [e-mail]
    North York, Ontario, Canada
      << new sig imminent...honest!! >>

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On Sun 14-Apr-1996 12:06p, Steph Greenberg wrote:
SG> Stranahan <[e-mail]> wrote:
SG>

SG> Computers are not long term investments like a house or even a car. A
SG> four year old computer (or four year old technology) might as well be
SG> an antique. For Newtek to indefinately bear the burdon of trying to keep
SG> the Amiga sort of up to date, pretty much single handedly, is ridiculous.

SG> : Lee Stranahan
---------------------
I have an old Amiga and I have to TOTALLY agree with you on this subject.
Waaayyyyy back when,,,I kept wishing that Amiga would get caught up with the
rest of the world, but as we all know that never happened. I still talk to
people who think that thier "awesome" Amiga is the ONLY way to go. And then
when I got my latest issue of VTU and on the cover they show the 060 board and
make it sound as if it were some sort of greate thing, well I just laugh. Get
with the times people. And like you said, for LW to keep trying to dumb down,
I think just dosen't make sense.......md

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<<Also, the 3ds models for RA2 will, apparently, be used by ILM. I
seriously doubt
ILM will render them on 3ds, but it shows that it's not the tool, it's
what you
do with it. RA2 looks cool.>>

There's some bounce between ILM and LucasArts, but not a lot. Ron Lussier,
a phenomenal 3D Studio (and Prisms) artist, built many of the spaceships
for Rebel Assault I and II in 3DS; John Knoll, the co-author of Photoshop
and an effects supervisor at ILM, built his own "Star Wars" models in
Form-Z on the Mac. I think they *have* bounced some of the models from
John to Ron to John (and the textures, taken from photos of the original
models), but much of the development was separate.

And, to kill off any potential arguments between 3DS vs. LW fans before
they even start, John Knoll is rendering the space shots for the revised
"Star Wars" using Electric Image on the Mac. They look spectacular, BTW.

-- Jon

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>   Bruce Branit <[e-mail]> writes:
>  [e-mail] wrote:
>
>  Talking about seamless image maps in photoshop...
>
>  > To achieve the same effect in Photoshop, wouldn't it be possible to create
>  > some sort of batch script?  Maybe a simple mouse recorder thing, although that would
>  > lack the query aspects of a true script language.  (Are there any script capable
>  > i-p/paint packages available for the lame-o PC?  Winimages?)
>
>  I don't mean to get off on a rant here, but...
>
>  It's not about making things simple. Most things about animation are really about art.

    Mirroring a bitmap is not art, it is simply drudgery.  Trying to find
a way to make the computer perform all the drudgery is perfectly valid.

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>  Mark Dunakin wrote:
>  >
>  > Say does anyone know how you make that star field that is shaped like a big
>  > ball. I can make a ball of dots that is solid, but I don't see how they made a
>  > ball of dots that is hollow.........If some one knows how this was done I'd
>  > appreciate knowing what the scoop is. And if I figure it out I'll tell about
>  > it..........md

    Use the RANDOM POINTS plugin/macro.

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From: Guustaaf Damave <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Cyrix 6x86 and Lightwave?
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 20:34:09 -0700
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Walter (Jay) Turberville (III) wrote:

> Our Cyrix 5x86 runs Win95 and LW just fine.  I can't comment on NT or 3.1
> though.  BTW, I think you will find that a P150 gives the most bang for the
> buck among P5 processors right now.
>
> One good way to check this is to see if Microsoft has the motherboard/CPU
> combination you are considering on its compatibility list.  As much as I like
> to use alternative CPUs, the Intel products are probably the safest bet -
> assuming you want to spend time in LW and not troublshooting hardware issues.
> Personally, I'd love to hear some firsthand info on the 6X86 though.

I just upgraded to a Cyrix 686 100 Mhz. I haven't used Lightwave much on it yet, but so
far I haven't had any problems. I'd be happy to run a test scene on it if someone can
recommend one.

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